Richard, below are each of the emails you sent with the scriptures you listed. I will address each one and my responses will be in bold type to separate them. Adam
Subj: Re: Guestbook
Date: 4/17/00 6:56:45 PM Central Daylight Time
From: rjs8684@worldnet.att.net (Richard Sojka)
To: ADB4JESUS@aol.com
Hello Adam.,
Ok, here are some of the biblical references you are requesting. More to follow.
Sola scriptura
Jn 21:25 ... not everything is in the Bible. This scriptures does not say nor indicate that the Bible alone is not sufficient. In fact all this verse states is that the acts that Jesus performed were so numerous that this Bible could not contain them all if they were to be written. Please show me where this verse shows that scripture alone is insufficient! 2 Timothy 3:16 states that "All" scripture, not some, not part, but "ALL".
2 Thess 2:15; 2 Tim 2:2; 1 Cor 11:2; 1 Thess 2:13 ... Paul speaks of oral tradition.
Acts 2:42 ... early Christians followed apostolic tradition. Not ONE of the scriptures you listed speak of any traditions outside of the Gospel of Christ. Again, show me where any of the verses listed condone traditions which are contrary to the Gospel! In fact the same man that wrote all of the above scriptures with the exception of Acts 2:42 stated in Galatians 1:6-10 that anyone that perverted the Gospel of Christ was to be "accursed."
2 Pet 3:16 ... Bible hard to understand, get distorted. You didn’t read the next verse which says "You therefore, seeing that you know these things before, beware unless you also are led astray with the error of the wicked, and fall from your steadfastness." It is only distorted by those with evil motives and intents.
2 Jn 1:12; 3 Jn 1:13-14 ... more oral tradition. John only says that he will speak to them face to face, where does that instill "oral tradition?" Another classic example of making scriptures say what they do not to fit a doctrine.
2 Pet 1:20-21 ... against personal interpretation. Again you fail to read the next verse, it was not by the will of men but by the moving of the Holy Spirit. Personal interpretation as given by the unction of the Holy Spirit. Where does this scripture say anything against personal interpretation?
Acts 8:31; Heb 5:12 ... guidance needed to interpret scriptures. I agree we MUST have guidance and that comes from the Holy Spirit and man as they are directed by the Holy Spirit. 1 John 2: 27, John 14:26. You did not produce ONE scripture that solidifies your position, in fact everything you provided above only reinforces my stance on the complete manipulation of the catholic church in it’s teaching.
Subj: Re: Guestbook
Date: 4/17/00 6:56:46 PM Central Daylight Time
From: rjs8684@worldnet.att.net (Richard Sojka)
To: ADB4JESUS@aol.com
Hello again Adam., Here are a few more.
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Sola fide
Jas 2:14-26 ... what good is faith w/o works? I am not sure what your point is with this scripture unless you are trying to prove a "works salvation" which is in no way what this scripture says. It does say that a real faith will produce works, but not out of the expectancy of gaining salvation because real faith realizes that it is already obtained by faith in believing. This scripture simply states the fact that a real faith will out of obedience produce works.
Heb 10:26 ... must avoid sin. Still do not understand purpose of this scripture but will say that it would be good for every catholic to read all of Hebrews chapters 6-10 and see the amazing correlation to the catholic doctrine.
Jas 5:20 ... "earning" forgiveness. Please show me where this verse indicates "earning" forgiveness! Forgiveness was paid once for all on the cross by Christ. Forgiveness is asked for and obtained by one confessing with a clean heart, see 1 John 1:9
Lk 6:46; Mt 7:21; Mt 19:16-21; Jn 5:29 ... must do will of God. I can agree that each of the scriptures you listed here speak of doing the will of God – and your point is?
1 Cor 9:27 ... "buffet my body ..." Again, what is the point of this scripture regarding the issues?
Phil 2:12; 2 Cor 5:10; Rom 2:6-10, 13, 3:31; Mt 25:32-46; Gal 6:6-10; Rev 20:12 ... works have merit. I agree with each of the scriptures listed except Romans 3:31, that they deal with works. Show me where any of these scriptures institute the doctrine of obtaining salvation by them?
1 Jn 2:3-4; 1 Jn 3:24; 1 Jn 5:3 ... keep commandments. Again, how do these scriptures apply to the issues at hand? You have listed scriptures but none of them validate any of the catholic teachings to this point nor do they support tradition over scripture.
Subj: Re: Guestbook
Date: 4/17/00 7:02:59 PM Central Daylight Time
From: rjs8684@worldnet.att.net (Richard Sojka)
To: ADB4JESUS@aol.com
Hello again Adam.,
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Salvation (once and for all?)
1 Cor 9:27 ... after preaching ... I myself disqualified.
1 Cor 10:12 ... thinks that he stands ... lest he fall.
Phil 2:12 ... work out salvation with fear and trembling.
Heb 4:1 ... fear of failing to reach salvation.
1 Jn 5:16,17 ... some sins are mortal, some not.
Rom 11:21,22 ... spare branches, continue or be cut off. Again I am not sure of your reason for these scriptures, but I do not believe in eternal security and if you would have looked on my web site you would have known that. I asked for scriptures that would disprove statements I made regarding the catholic doctrine and you sent all of these scriptures that have nothing to do with it. Stick to the issues next time please!
Subj: Re: Guestbook
Date: 4/17/00 7:03:16 PM Central Daylight Time
From: rjs8684@worldnet.att.net (Richard Sojka)
To: ADB4JESUS@aol.com
Hello again Adam.,
Yet again some more.
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Deuterocanonicals
Deuterocanonicals were used in NT: 2 Mach 6:18-7:42 ... Heb 11:35;
Wisdom 3:5-6 ... 1 Pet 1:6-7; Wisdom 13:1-9 ... Rom 1:18-32 I will not accept any references to the apocryphal writings and do not see the pertinence of these scriptures once again.
Septuagint (Gk, w/ Deuterocanonicals) version of OT quoted in NT,
noticably different from Hebrew version: Is 7:14 ... Mt 1:23; Is 40:3
... Mt 3:3; Joel 2:30-31 ... Acts 2:19-29; Ps 95:7-9 ... Heb 3:7-9 etc What point is being rebutted with these scriptures? What point from my web page is being proven wrong here? What is the point?
Subj: Re: Guestbook
Date: 4/17/00 7:05:56 PM Central Daylight Time
From: rjs8684@worldnet.att.net (Richard Sojka)
To: ADB4JESUS@aol.com
Hello again Adam.,
Yet again some more.
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Purgatory
Lk 12:59; 1 Cor 3:15; 1 Pet 1:7; Mt 5:25-26 ... temporary agony. None of these verses speak of purgatory, if so show me where! 1Cor. 3:15 is dealing with ‘works’ and 1Peter 1:7 is talking of the testing of your faith! Show me purgatory in these verses!
Heb 12:6-11 ... God's painful discipline. This scripture is speaking about ‘Spiritual’ discipline by God on believers that will cause them to mature in their Spiritual Walk. SHOW ME PURGATORY HERE! You are really stretching to use these verses to even consider purgatory, please!
Mt 12:32 ... no forgiveness ... nor in the age to come. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit; purgatory - NO
1 Pet 3:19 ... purgatory (limbo?). I covered this in the letter to the priest on the web site check it out; not speaking of purgatory
Rev 21:27 ... nothing unclean shall enter heaven. Sinners will not enter heaven, where is purgatory in this?
Heb 12:23 ... souls in heaven are perfect. Again, please!!
Col 1:24; 2 Sam 12:14 ... "extra" suffering. I do not see "extra suffering" in either of these verses but I do believe that there will be different levels of hell and punishment according to Matthew 23:14
2 Mac 12:43-46 ... sacrifice for the dead. Convenient reason to use the apocryphal books huh?
2 Tim 1:15-18 ... prayer for Onesiphorus for "that Day." Asking God’s blessing for one that was charitable to you is hardly a proof of purgatory, please!
1 Jn 5:14-17 ... mortal/venial sins So where is purgatory in this scripture? This was the biggest and most blatant misuse of scripture to try to prove a doctrine imaginable. An unlearned child could see the gross error in this weak effort.
Subj: Re: Guestbook
Date: 4/17/00 7:07:41 PM Central Daylight Time
From: rjs8684@worldnet.att.net (Richard Sojka)
To: ADB4JESUS@aol.com
Hello again Adam.,
Yet again some more.
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Eucharist
Mt 26:26-27; Mk 14:22,24; Lk 22:19-20; 1 Cor 10:24-25 ... this is my body ... this is my blood. I covered this in the web page also but I will go over it again briefly. First of all I think you mean 1Corinthians 11: 24-25, not 10:24-25. Secondly you fail to use verse 26 which states that by partaking of the bread and wine that you are "showing" the Lord’s death till He comes" the word ‘showing’ in the Greek is "katagello" and means to declare openly. It does not mean to "become physically." You also failed to present Luke 22:19 where Jesus says to do this in "Remembrance" of Him. It is to be a symbol of what Jesus done for us, there is NO Scripture that condones the teaching of Christ being killed anew each time the service is performed, that is the biggest act of blasphemy I know of. I suggest you read Hebrews 9:12 and read carefully how that it was done "ONCE" for all. This teaching is one of the biggest acts of heresy in the catholic church.
1 Cor 11:26-30 ... sinning against the body and blood.
Jn 6:32-58 ... long discourse on Eucharist. Everything here is dealing with the Spiritual realities of this important act.
Gen 14:18; Ps 110:4; Heb 7:1-17 ... Melchizedek.
Acts 2:42 ... breaking of bread.
Ps 27:1-2; Is 9:18-20; Is 49:26; Micah 3:3; Rev 17:6,16 ... symbolic interpretation of Jn 6 inappropriate. Cannibalism was a reality in the Old Testament days and the Scripture in Psalm does not fit neither does the one in Revelation. The ones in Isaiah and Micah are actual events of cannibalism and if you are trying to relate these events to the communion of Christ you are sicker than I imagined. If you cannot see the complete perverseness of trying to tie these events together then there is no hope for you and you will burn in hell for Blaspheming the Spirit of God by placing Christ on the cross over and over again each time the eucharist is presented.
Subj: Re: Guestbook
Date: 4/17/00 7:09:15 PM Central Daylight Time
From: rjs8684@worldnet.att.net (Richard Sojka)
To: ADB4JESUS@aol.com
Hello again Adam.,
Yet again some more.
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Baptism of infants
Acts 2:38-39; Acts 16:15, 16:33, 18:8; 1 Cor 1:16 ... suggests baptism of all, incl. children. Again you make these Scriptures say what is not in them. Show me one place where the word "child" "children" "infants" or "babies" is mentioned! It is not there and you are making it say that to fit your doctrine. Acts 2:38 says to "repent and be baptized" tell me what an infant has to repent of? Tell me what infant or young child has any concept of what baptism is about?
Jn 3:5; Rom 6:4 ... necessity of baptism.
Col 2:11-12 ... circumcision (normally performed on infants c.f. Gen 17:12) replaced by baptism. This is completely out of context and is nowhere indicating the baptizing of infants or children. It is however another very accurate example of the stretching techniques of the catholic church to create a doctrine and tradition that is totally unbiblical.
Subj: Re: Guestbook
Date: 4/17/00 7:20:18 PM Central Daylight Time
From: rjs8684@worldnet.att.net (Richard Sojka)
To: ADB4JESUS@aol.com
Hello again Adam.,
Yet again some more.
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Forgiveness of sins
Jn 20:22-23 ... "if you forgive ... they are forgiven."
Mt 18:18 ... binding on earth and heaven.
2 Cor 5:18 ... ministry of reconciliation.
Jas 5:14-16 ... forgiveness of sins, anointing of the sick, confession. None of the Scriptures listed admonish nor teach the heresy of seeking another man to confess your sins to. Neither do they teach nor institute the fact that another man has the power to forgive another’s sins. Matthew 5:23-24 & 18:21-35 states that if we hold grudges against those that have done ill towards us then we have not forgiven them and therefore we will not be forgiven by our Heavenly Father. It is teaching about us forgiving in the physical and God forgiving in the Spiritual. Nowhere is there any Scripture that supports the heretical teaching of the catholic church concerning confessionals and confessing to the priests.
Subj: Re: Guestbook
Date: 4/17/00 7:21:34 PM Central Daylight Time
From: rjs8684@worldnet.att.net (Richard Sojka)
To: ADB4JESUS@aol.com
Hello again Adam.,
Yet again some more.
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Papacy/infallibility
Mt 10:1-4; Mk 3:16-19; Lk 6:14-16; Acts 1:13; Lk 9:32 ... Peter always mentioned first, as foremost apostle. You have got to be joking, if I didn’t know that you really believe this it would be funny, but since I know you do really believe this it is sad. Because Peter is mentioned first in these Scriptures it is proof that he was pope and infallible? PLEASE!
Mt 18:21; Mk 8:29; Lk 12:41; Jn 6:69 ... Peter speaks for the apostles. Because Peter is outspoken he is infallible? Where is that indicated? Where is infallible mentioned in ANY of the Scriptures so far?
Acts 2:14-40 ... Pentecost: Peter who first preached. OH! You got me here… Peter preached so he is infallible! How could anyone not see that….get serious!
Acts 3:6-7 ... Peter worked first healing. This is not a true statement, all of the disciples performed miracles when Jesus sent them out earlier in His ministry.
Acts 10:46-48 ... Gentiles to be baptized revealed to Peter. And this proves he is infallible?
Jn 1:42 ... Simon is Cephas (Aramaic: Kepha for rock). Rock – yes Infallible - no
Mt 16:18-19 ... "on this Rock ... keys ... bind ... loose" And where is infallibility?
Is 22:22; Rev 1:18 ... keys as symbol of authority. Jesus said he was a "door" to, does that make Him a real physical door?
Jn 21:17 ... "feed my sheep" Jesus commissioned ALL of the disciples!
Lk 22:31-32 ... "Simon ... strengthen your brethren". Where is the Infalibility?
Lk 10:1-2, 16; Jn 13:20; 2 Cor 5:20; Gal 4:14; Acts 5:1-5 ... "vicars" (substitutes) of Christ. I will agree that EVERY born again believer is a "vicar" of Christ and not just the priests, bishops, cardinals, or the pope. Every believer has been given that charge by Jesus to be His Ambassador.
Mk 6:20; Lk 1:70,2:23; Rom 12:1; Act 3:21, 1 Cor 7:14; Eph 3:5; Col 1:22 ... humans can be holy ("call no one holy"). Believers are to be ‘holy’ but that "holiness" and "Righteousness" comes only from and through Christ and nothing we do ourselves. Our deeds or works will gain us no holiness, but we obtain the holiness of Christ by believing and allowing Him to work in and through us. Isaiah 64:6 states it very aptly. You are also missing the fact that "call no MAN father is the issue" as Matthew 23:9 states.
Subj: Re: Guestbook
Date: 4/17/00 7:22:24 PM Central Daylight Time
From: rjs8684@worldnet.att.net (Richard Sojka)
To: ADB4JESUS@aol.com
Hello again Adam.,
Yet again some more.
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"Brothers" of Jesus
Mary wife of Cleophas and "sister" of the Virgin Mary (Jn 19:25) is the mother of James and Joset (Mk 15:47; Mt 27:56) who are called the "brothers of Jesus" (Mk 6:3).
Acts 1:12-15 ... apostles, Mary, "some women" and Jesus' "brothers" number about 120. That is a lot of "brothers."
Gen 14:14 ... Lot, Abraham's nephew (Gen 11:26-28), described as Abraham's brother (KJV).
Gen 29:15 ... Laban, Jacob's uncle, calls Jacob his "brother" (KJV).
John 19:26-27 ... Jesus gives care of Mary to John, not one of his "brothers."
2 Sam 6:23, Gen 8:7, Dt 34:6 ... "until." Sorry Richard, you have totally lost me here, what is this all about? I do see some gross misinterpretations though, but it does not surprise me.
Subj: Re: Guestbook
Date: 4/17/00 7:24:33 PM Central Daylight Time
From: rjs8684@worldnet.att.net (Richard Sojka)
To: ADB4JESUS@aol.com
Hello again Adam.,
Yet again some more.
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Mary
Gen 5:24; Heb 11:5; 2 Kings 2:1-13 ... Enoch and Elijah taken to heaven. What does this have to do with Mary?
Lk 1:28 ... annunciation. And the point is?
Lk 1:42-48 ... blessed are you among women. She was blessed, but not sinless!
2 Tim 4:8, Jas 1:12, 1 Pet 5:4, Rev 2:10 ... coronation awaits saints. Notice these scriptures say ALL those that love His coming, not just some, not Mary, not the pope, ALL Believers!!!! Read it all!
Jn 2:1-5 ... Mary's intercession. Show me anywhere in this Scripture where Mary intercedes? Show me where in any of the Scriptures you listed where is says to Pray to Mary. Show me where it says that Mary was Sinless. Show me where it says she ascended to heaven. Show me where it says she is the intercessor in heaven to Jesus. Please don’t insult my intelligence nor anyone else’s by avoiding the real issues and skirting around facing the truth. There are NO Scriptures for the above and you know it, that’s why you did not provide them as with any of the subjects yet to this point.
Subj: Re: Guestbook
Date: 4/17/00 7:25:56 PM Central Daylight Time
From: rjs8684@worldnet.att.net (Richard Sojka)
To: ADB4JESUS@aol.com
Hello again Adam.,
Yet again some more.
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Saints
Mk 12:26-27 ... "not God of the dead, but of the living." Eternal Life? Yes I believe in that also! What is the point here as to saints?
Jn 15:1-8 ... vine and its branches. ??????? saints?????
1 Cor 12:25-27; Rom 12:4-5 ... body of Christ. I understand the "Body" of Christ, what does this have to do with saints?
Eph 6:18; Rom 15:30; Col 4:3; 1 Thess 1:11 ... intercessory prayer. The only verse that puts praying and saints together is Ephesians 6:18 and would you please show me where it speaks of praying to saints that have passed from the earthly realm? It is speaking of praying for all of the ‘saints’ here which include all believers in Christ. The other Scriptures you listed only speak of praying for other believers here on the earth. There is no 1 Thessalonians 1:11 you must mean 2 Thessalonians 1:11?
Jos 5:14; Dan 8:17; Tob 12:16 ... veneration of angels united with God Veneration yes, but pray to or worship, never!
(Mt 18:10).
1 Cor 13:12; 1 John 3:2 ... saints also united with God. Yes the saints will be united with God when we leave this earth. All believers which are saints that have already passed are already united with God.
Lk 20-34-38 ... those who died are like angels. Like angels on in the correlation to marriage not in physical likeness, you are taking this out of context. In fact 1 Corinthians 6:3 tells me that we will judge angels!
2 Mac 15:11-16 ... deceased Onias and Jeremiah interceded for Jews. This is the only verses you have to even insinuate agreement on this issue but it is in Maccabees which is not an accepted canonical book. Even if it was you would make a doctrine of one verse? Silly question, the catholic church has done that with almost all of their doctrines!
Rev 8:3-4; Jer 15:1 ... saints' intercession. The Scripture in Revelation only agrees that the prayers of the saints on earth are heard by God, the verse in Jeremiah is grossly misinterpreted. The verse is saying "IF Moses and Samuel stood before the Lord on behalf of the people God still would not change His mind." You are very good about taking Scriptures completely out of context to fit a doctrine. Once again you have failed to provide any Scriptures that support the gross heresy of praying to ‘saints’ like the hundreds of saints the catholic church honors this way such as; a saint for hemorrhoids, a saint for V.D., a saint for breast feeding, and many more that show the complete heretic blasphemy of the catholic church once again.
Subj: Re: Guestbook
Date: 4/17/00 7:29:51 PM Central Daylight Time
From: rjs8684@worldnet.att.net (Richard Sojka)
To: ADB4JESUS@aol.com
Hello Brother Adam.,
As you can see and read there are many Scriptural references for our beliefs. Here are yet some more.
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Statues, images and relics
Ex 25:18-22, 26:1,31; Num 21:8-9 ... God commands images made. You are calling the ‘ark of the covenant’ an idol? If so you are totally blind and void of understanding any truth whatsoever. I guess several chapters later in Exodus 32 God was so happy about the Golden Calf right?
1 Kings 6:23-29, 35, 7:29 ... Solomon's temple: statues and images. Where were they directed to pray to these? Where were they told to worship these? A better question is where or when did God direct the catholic church to build all of the idols it has? Where or when did God direct the catholic church to worship and pray to these idols?
Acts 19:11,12 ... Paul's handkerchiefs and aprons. Yes God did heal through the power of His Spirit and used this method to do it. And how does this collaborate your position?
2 Kg 13:20-21 ... Elisha's bones. So what do we do worship bones now?
Acts 5:15-16 ... Peter's shadow. Again God’s chosen method to heal, do we make a doctrine of it?
Mt 9:20-22 ... Jesus' garment cures woman. Again you have failed to give evidence for the doctrine of idols which the catholic church so greatly propagates.
Subj: Re: Guestbook
Date: 4/17/00 7:32:35 PM Central Daylight Time
From: rjs8684@worldnet.att.net (Richard Sojka)
To: ADB4JESUS@aol.com
Hello again Brother Adam.,
Here are yet some more.
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Church and authority
Acts 2:42 ... doctrine, community, sacred rite (bread). Church authority? Not here
Eph 5:25-26 ... Christ loved the Church. Yes Christ does love the church, point is?
1 Tim 3:15 ... church is pillar/foundation of truth.
Mt 16:18; 20:20 ... Christ protects Church.
Heb 13:17 ... obey. Agreed considering they are following Christ.
Mt 18:17-18 ... church as final authority. Sorry to inform you but Jesus is the final authority!
Mt 23:2 ... Pharisees succeeded Moses (seat of Moses). Yes and read the rest of the chapter PLEASE because Jesus spent the rest of the time calling them hypocrites, blind guides, serpents, snakes, etc… actually I am surprised that you have finally spoken the truth about the catholic leadership. You must have slipped when you included this verse. Please do read the rest of chapter 23 though and see for yourself a great biography of the catholic leadership.
1 Cor 5:5; 1 Tim 1:20 ... excommunication.
Subj: Hope that was enough Biblical references for you.
Date: 4/17/00 8:21:50 PM Central Daylight Time
From: rjs8684@worldnet.att.net (Richard Sojka)
To: ADB4JESUS@aol.com
Well Brother Adam?
I have given you just a few Biblical references to let you know how, where and why, a 2,000 year old religion gets it's beliefs. I hope these references have answered your charge? As for interpretation? Who interprets Scripture for you? Of course you are not a fundamentalist who believes they make no interpretation as they read God's Word? Yes, we Catholics study the Scriptures, we study Biblical history, the social and economic realities of the time of Jesus and before that. We study the lands through archeological evidence, many transcripts of those times, (as many as there are.) Plus much more I will not get into at this time. I rely as any believer does on the guidance of the Holy Spirit to interpret and Scripture confirms Scripture. I do not rely on ANY man to interpret God’s Word for the very reason that man IS FALLIBLE and that includes the pope.
You see Adam, we have been at this for 2,000 years. We are in every nation and on every continent and country in the world. We have many different missions and missionaries. We care about all of God's peoples in the world. We do not care what religion you are, we help those in need of help. We stand up for those who cannot stand for themselves. Do not judge our religion and beliefs from what you see here only in the United States. Look around! Globally! We are their Adam! In India, even though we are murdered, jailed and beaten, raped, robbed and the places we help out of destroyed, ransacked and burned. Yes, we are in Africa! We are in every country in Africa. Asia, Europe, Russia, China, the list goes on and on. The list is made up of human beings, priests, brothers, sisters, nun's, lay peoples, volunteers, and yes Adam also many Christians of other faiths join us in these Christ-like endeavors. It does not impress me that your belief is in all the countries of the world, nor does that give any validity to your doctrine. Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses can claim the same thing, does that make them correct?
We ask you for what? Your prayers. Is this to much to ask from a fellow Christian as we do our Lord's work all over the world? What do we find when we look to the internet for a Catholic site? A site such as yours! How can you use a meta tag with Catholic in it? Do you not know your own Scriptures? That is a very misleading tactic you have used. Your meta tag should read anti-Catholic at least! You do have my prayers and they are for the Lord to open the blind eyes to see the truth of the simplicity of the Gospel and to come out from under the Pharisitical leadership of the catholic church. I am not anti-catholic but I am anti-catholic doctrine and blind leadership.
It is ok though Adam. We do forgive you. You have your own agenda and reasons to do what you are doing. Anyway, it does make the Catholic visitors more determined to learn more about their faith and the Scriptures that justify it's practices and actions. That is terrific because that is the whole purpose of the web page. Thanks for letting me know that it is doing what I hoped it would accomplish.
Why do we not all answer your questions? Simple, they have all been asked and answered hundreds of times before. For hundreds of years these questions have been asked and they have always been answered. Now, it is funny how one can say they have never read the basis of our beliefs in the Scriptures, because they are all their. We have answered and shown all of you this many, many, many times before. Where you did your research I do not know. I really am surprised that in your in-depth and knowledgeable research you could not find these question and answer sessions? You are WRONG about this, just as you have proved above, your people have NO answers to solidify your doctrine. You are only a bunch of brainwashed people who refuse to see the truth even when it is put right in front of you and for that I an saddened for you.
Adam I will revisit your site. I will download it in it's entirety. I will go over all you say and how you say it. I will then answer all of the questions you pose and I will give each answer not only Biblically, but I will give you the source of when it was first asked (or near about) and answered. I will give you web addresses for the precise entries and dates. Most of your questions if not all of them were first answered hundreds of years ago. Surprised? I thought so. Richard, I am not surprised and nor am I interested in what I already know about you and your false doctrine. If you choose to continue blindly following these Pharisees and believe their doctrines which you yourself know have no Biblical backing then that is your choice. You are welcome to send whatever you like but I will not respond to it unless you have direct Scriptures to refute the charges which you have not produced to this point.
With Eternal Brotherly Love
Yours in Christ
Richard J. Sojka
Richard,
Regardless of the amount of Scriptures you sent not one of them provided backing for the doctrinal issues that I raised. What you did provide was more of the same that I have already responded to before with other catholics. The Scriptures you did provide were either completely taken out of context to MAKE them fit the doctrine or did not fit at all. I am not interested in all of your talk about how these things came about or how they were first instituted. I want you to show me Scripture that backs the doctrine that; 1. The pope being infallible. 2. Mary being infallible. 3. Praying to Mary. 4. Mary’s immaculate conception. 5. Mary’s ascension to heaven. 6. Praying to saints. 7. Praying to angels. 8. Putting tradition above Scripture. 9. Transubstantiation. 10. Penance. 11. Confessionals. 12. Priests ability to forgive sins. 13. Idols and worshipping them. And many more… as you can see Richard, there are many not just one doctrine that causes problems when you have to find Scriptural backing for them. That is why it is so easy for the catholic church to instill these types of doctrines and not have a problem, because they have taken away the Bible as the foundation and instituted traditions above it. You can have anything you want when you do that and that is exactly what the catholic church has done. It does not surprise me that one brought up under catholicism cannot see these truths because they have been taught from the beginning that the Bible is not the sole authority and have no reason to question the doctrines. That is why my anger is directed at the leadership not the common people. I only hope to show the errors of the heretical leadership and cause as many common lay catholics to see the truth as possible. If the truth has been presented to them and they still choose to follow the deception of the catholic church then that is their choice. Thank you for your efforts Richard, but once again you have failed to provide any Biblical proof for these things as I knew you would because they do not exist.
Sincerely in Christ, Adam
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