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Date: 2/2/01 1:35:28 AM Central Standard Time

From: TheDreamwriter1

To: ADB4JESUS

Spent much time on this site this evening! Excellent and I must say annointed of God, Bible based! I spent alot of time looking at the "Cults" part because I have been trying to find in the bible anything that speaks on hypnotism. I believe that hypnotism is NOT of God and I found many scriptures speaking against divination (fortune telling) and witchcraft but where does hypnotism fit into all that. The reason I need to know is because I have a friend who for several months has planned on taking a 3 month course on hypnotism to learn how to do it so she can start her own business. I was trying to find some scriptures to show her that this is NOT of God. Her beliefs are a mixture of all the cults I read, that you have listed. Also she claims to have received Jesus into her heart when she was young but obviously does not know the True Jesus! Can you please help me with this?? Thank you.

Subj: Re: need info

Date: 2/2/01 10:40:33 PM Central Standard Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: TheDreamwriter1

Hello,

I am sorry for taking so long to get back with you but I have been really busy getting ready for this weekend trip I am leaving on tomorrow. As far as your concerns about your friend that is wanting to get involved in Hypnotism, you are very correct in those concerns. It is very dangerous and is very deceptive and opens the door for any evil influence. It originated from forms of the Eastern Mysticism meditation practices such as Transcendental Meditation, Yoga, and others. Although there are no specific verses in scripture that deal directly with Hypnotics, there are many that deal with Sorcery, Witchcraft, and Divination. Divination is closely related to the basic tenants of hypnotism and there are several verses dealing with that; Acts 16:16 and 1 Samuel 28: 7-9 and others. The main point to emphasize to your friend is the origins of this practice and what the scriptures do say regarding that. Scriptures regarding witchcraft are; Exodus 22:8, Deuteronomy 18:10, 2 Chronicles 33:6, Galatians 5:20 and others. There are also many scriptures regarding sorcery.

Another point of contention with regards to Hypnotism is the fact that you are allowing someone to control your mind and place thoughts and suggestions there. God is the only one that should be allowed in that area. By allowing a person to place you under a "trance" like state you are opening up yourself to allow any evil influence to enter. It may look innocent on the surface but it's origins show the real intent behind it. We must always remember that the greatest weapon of the enemy is Deception and he also can appear as an 'angel of light.'

One of the fruits of the spirit is "self-control" and to become a subject of hypnosis takes that self-control away from you and places it in another's hand other than God. With God in control of a person there is no need for the practice of hypnosis to gain something. Is there anything that God cannot do that hypnosis can achieve?

I hope that this has answered your question and if not please let me know. Thank you again for your question and please let me know if I can help you with anything else.

Sincerely in Christ, Adam

Subj: Re: need info

Date: 2/3/01 11:10:54 AM Central Standard Time

From: TheDreamwriter1

To: ADB4JESUS

Thank you so much for the answer you sent! I have gone over the bible and found the scriptures about the divination and witchcraft, socery, ect., but was not sure how hypnotism related to all that... although I was sure that it did. But you are so right about what you said and it helps because these things I knew but couldn't seem to put them into words to present to her. Thank you so much for taking the time to help me out!! Hope you have a safe trip! Thanks Again and God Bless You! Cheri

Subj: about your web site

Date: 2/5/01 9:31:28 PM Central Standard Time

From: TheDreamwriter1

To: ADB4JESUS

Adam, I recently wrote to you questioning the hypnotism thing. I was just wondering if it is ok to send some of the things on your site to some of my friends? Like the "Eternal ink" and the "Twas the night Jesus Came" and some of the other stories. Also, Do you know who wrote that thing on what happened to the signers? When I read that I was amazed. I had no idea that our forefathers of this country lost everything for our freedom! I was thinking...."This story needs to be told in movie form!" I never learned about that history in school and I am SURE they don't teach it in schools these days!! Anyway....I would like to forward some of that stuff via email if it is ok? Please let me know. Also, I read your study on eternal security and you are so right on about that!!! I did that study myself several years ago and God led me to the same scriptures that you covered! If only people would just get a hold of God's "entire" WORD!!! And your ideas about what today's church should be were extremely enlightening to me!! I have struggled with the "Church World" for the last three years! (I mean in my spirit) Just the fact that we seem to be missing it has had me perplexed. Thanks for sharing your insights! God Bless You!! Cheri

Subj: Re: about your web site

Date: 2/5/01 10:06:19 PM Central Standard Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: TheDreamwriter1

Hello Cheri,

Thank you so much for you kind comments and you are welcome to send anything on the site, that is what I made it for. I am just blessed that it is helpful to some and that there are those like yourself that want to use it. I get many emails from angry people that disagree with many things on my site but that is their right. I did not make one page of it to cause anger only to share what God placed in my heart and interesting articles that others send to me such as the "Eternal Ink" and "Twas the Night Before Jesus Came" and others like those. There are many areas that we will never expect everyone to agree on and that is to be expected. I don't force my views on anyone, I just simply share them on my site. Thanks again for your kind comments and please feel free to use anything on the site as often as you like. In Christ, Adam

Subj: plagues

Date: 2/6/01 5:32:38 PM Central Standard Time

From: h.saberin@worldnet.att.net (Harry Saberin)

To: adb4jesus@aol.com

What is the Catholics belief on plagues? Do they think it is a punishment?

Subj: Re: plagues

Date: 2/7/01 9:09:39 AM Central Standard Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: h.saberin@worldnet.att.net

Hello Harry,

Thank you so much for your question and I will answer the best I can with the information available to me. I checked the catholic encyclopedia and the only reference to 'plagues' was in regards to the 10 plagues poured out on Egypt. They did view these particular plagues as from God on the Egyptians in which I agree. However there are other plagues that I believe that God allows upon man as a result of their own defiance to His laws. A good example of this would be what is spoken about in Romans 1:27 which I believe is a direct implication of the 'Aids' virus. There are many other sexually transmitted diseases that would also fit into this category. There are many other examples such as a person that continually smokes puts themselves at risk of cancer. One who drinks excessively is at risk for liver disease. Would it be correct to blame, or assess these results to God? It is something that God has warned man about and at the same time given them free will to continue if they so choose. Many things that we consider 'plagues' are brought about by man's continued disobedience to the directives of God. There are some that are out of the control of man such as those on the Egyptians and those are from God. Thank you for you question and I pray that this has helped answer it. In Christ, Adam

Subj: The PRAYER OF JABEZ

Date: 2/7/01 12:13:36 PM Central Standard Time

From: crochetlady@hotmail.com (Phyllis Johnson61458)

To: administrator@letusreason.org, adb4jesus@aol.com, Logos@logosresourcepages.org

Dear Friends,

I am anxious to have your analysis of the booklets..called..the little books called..THE PRAYER OF JABEZ. and i believe there is a series of them...by Bruce Wilkinson..They are recently growing in popularity and have been recommended by a growing number of groups..

Thanks! Phyllis.

Subj: Re: The PRAYER OF JABEZ

Date: 2/7/01 10:03:24 PM Central Standard Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: crochetlady@hotmail.com

Hello Phyllis,

Thank you so much for your request of my analysis of the books about the "Prayer of Jabez." I am familiar with that particular section of scripture and it is very interesting. However, I get a little concerned when well meaning people, and even ministers want to use a particular scripture as some sort of magic formula to solve all problems. Just because God chose to grant the request of Jabez does not mean that it can be used as a formula for everyone that prays that particular prayer. I believe that God could choose to honor that same prayer for others, but I do not see a directive in the Bible for that particular prayer to be used as such. If there are those that have been blessed as a result of reciting that prayer that is great but personally I would be hesitant to endorse it as a catch all formula. I have not read the books however that you are talking about so it would not be right for me to make an assessment on them. I can only speak about the use of that particular prayer in that way. Thank you again and I hope to talk to you again, in Christ, Adam

Subj: Re: The PRAYER OF JABEZ

Date: 2/8/01 8:09:35 AM Central Standard Time

From: crochetlady@hotmail.com (Phyllis Johnson61458)

To: ADB4JESUS@aol.com

Oh..Thanks so much for your speedy reply to my question. I have had some concerns about some of the things I had been hearing about these little books..and your analysis makes a lot of sense..and I agree that too often some are just looking for a catch all solution..Thanks for your explanation of that scripture..It is most helpful..(smile)

following Christ, Phyllis

Subj: PANTS & SHORTS

Date: 2/20/01 7:25:23 PM Central Standard Time

From: Gruntman49

To: ADB4JESUS

HELLO MY BROTHER IN CHRIST I DONT TYPE VERY WELL SO PARDON MY ERRORS WE ARE A SMALL BUT GOD FEARING & LOVING CHURCH . WE HAVE JUST BUILT A SMALL CHURCH IN FAYETTEVILLE GA AND WE HAVE ALWAYS DRESSED MODESTLY BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF PANTS , JEANS AND WITH SUMMER COMING POSSIBLY SHORTS AS WELL I AM PERPLEXED . I DONT WANT TO HINDER GODS WORK BUT INSTEAD OF GOING INTO THE WORLD THE WORLD IS COMING INTO US . HELP IF YOU CAN I LOVE THE LORD AND YOUR SITE . GOD BLESS YOU AND KEEP YOU. HOWARD ALEXANDER

Subj: Re: PANTS & SHORTS

Date: 2/20/01 9:44:09 PM Central Standard Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: Gruntman49

Hello Bro. Alexander,

Thank you so much for your kind words and I will help you the best I can. If I understand what you are asking, you are concerned with the casual dress and where it may cross the line of being too casual. I have been in many churches and have seen many dress codes. My personal opinion is that there is nothing wrong with casual, in fact it may help people to feel more comfortable and open up more in a service. On the other hand there has to be some standard set so that the evil one does not create chaos. Again this is just my personal opinion but I would not have a problem with jeans for T-shirts but I would personally avoid shorts for either men or women. The main reason is to avoid any opening for the devil to use it for distraction and have an open door for lust. We are commanded to avoid even the appearance of evil and although we do not want to become too legalistic with dress codes there are some standards that should be set in place for common sense reasons. It is no different from public places that require shirt and shoes before entering. I understand that you do not want to ever turn away someone from the world that may come into your church in this type of dress. That is where you need to have that standard set in place so that no one in your congregation is wearing those things. Again these are just my opinions on this matter and I hope that I am addressing the question in the manner you intended. Thanks again for you kind words and if this does not answer your question please let me know and I will try again. God bless you brother and your ministry. In Christ, Adam

Subj: Re: PANTS & SHORTS

Date: 2/21/01 6:28:51 AM Central Standard Time

From: Gruntman49

To: ADB4JESUS

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE FAST RESPONCE, I CAN HANDLE WHAT YOU REPLIED, WE JUST DID NOT WANT TO GIVE THE DEVIL ANY ROOMTO MOVE. IN OCT 1995 I HAD A MASSIVE HEART ATTACK I WAS 44 AT THAT TIME AND A VERY LUKEWARM & VERY BACKSLIDDING PERSON . I WAS ON LIFE SUPPORT HAD 19 I.V . LINES IN ME WAS SHOCKED 16 TIMES TO KEEP THIS OLD WICKED HEART GOING IT BURNED THE HAIR OFF OF MY HEAD IN THREE PLACES , I WAS ON EVERY PIECE OF HEART EQUIPMENT THEY HAD EXCEPT TWO.MY ELECTROPHESIOLOGIST WHO WAS USED OF GOD TO KEEP ME GOING IS MARK COHEN HE IS JEWISH AND REJECTS JESUS , PRAY FOR HIM PLEASE . I WAS PRO NOUNCED DEAD TWICE, AND MY WIFE OF 25 YEARS SHE WAS TOLD THAT I WOULD NEVER LEAVE THE HOSPITAL ALIVE BUT THEY DID NOT KNOW THE MASTER OF THE WIND MY LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST . THEIR IS MUCH MORE TO THE STORY BUT I TYPE SO SLOW IT WOULD TAKE ME A WHILE TO TYPE IT . I AM THE CHOIR DIRECTOR NOW AND TWO WEEKS AGO I WAS CALLED INTO THE MINISTRY NOW I PRAY THE LORD WILL OPEN THE DOORS AND GIVE ME THE STRENGTH TO GO AND BE A VESSAL TO BE USED IN HIS SERVICE. HE HAS BLESSED SO MUCH NO ONE WILL EVER KNOW I TRY TO TELL IT THE BEST I CAN AND THIS IS PART OF THE STORY. TO MY BROTHER IN CHRIST LOVE , MAY YOUR MINISTRY GROW & GO TILL THE TRUMPET SOUNDS AND I MEET YOU THEN . HOWARD ALEXANDER

Subj: Re: PANTS & SHORTS

Date: 2/21/01 9:52:39 PM Central Standard Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: Gruntman49

Hello Brother Howard,

Thank you for your testimony and what an awesome testimony it is. I am sure that God will open the doors for you and your ministry will be blessed. If I can be of any other help please let me know and God bless you, Adam

Subj: RE: Help Please

Date: 3/14/01 12:57:26 PM Central Standard Time

From: sstulloch@sympatico.ca (Spencer Tulloch)

Reply-to: sstulloch@sympatico.ca

To: adb4jesus@aol.com

I was wondering if you could answer a question for me. I am writing a book on grief, having recently lost my daughter, and I would like to include bible quotes from the KJV bible in this book. I am not sure if the bible is copyrighted, do I need permission and if so where can I get it. Any help you can give me would be much appreciated as I have written to many people on the internet and no one seems to be able to give me an answer.

Please respond to bevsnider@altavista.com I am sending from another e-mail address but can be reached at the one above. Thanks Again

Subj: Re: Help Please

Date: 3/14/01 9:58:39 PM Central Standard Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: sstulloch@sympatico.ca

Hello,

Thank you for your question about the copyright of the Bible. There is no copyright of the Word of God, however certain Publishing Companies have put copyrights on the Bibles they have published. An example is Zondervan, they have a copyright on the NIV version but it is only if you copy 1,000 or more verses or a complete book. I would find it incredibly pious of any publishing company that would legally try to keep someone from copying the Word of God regardless of copyright laws. The best way to find out is look in the front of you Bible and see if there are any particular copyrights. I have many Bibles but the one I use most is the Hebrew Greek Key Study Bible by Zodhaites which is published by AMG Publishing. There are copyrights for the study helps by Zodhaites but AMG does not have a copyright on the KJV Text. It is unlikely that you would ever have a problem quoting or copying as much of the Bible as you want in a book. Thanks again for you question, In Christ, Adam

Subj: More Questions

Date: 3/15/01 9:04:04 PM Central Standard Time

From: compvalve@truthmail.com (John McGee)

To: ADB4JESUS@aol.com

Adam: How are you today. Good I hope. Todays question concerns heaven. I remember a scripture that says to be absent the body is to be in the presence of God. If that is so what happens after we die. I mean when Jesus returns then the dead will raise and then the living will be caught up. as far as the dead goes i dont recall if its just those who are in Christ or if all the dead will rise, and of course we are given our perfect bodies then. S o what happens to those who have already died . Do we get our perfect bodies then and go to heaven then come back to earth when the dead are called forth. Maybe thats were catholics got the idea for purgatory(ha ha).

2) There is a clinic here in town who gives free pregnancy tests and counseling for new mothers who stress the biblical ideas as far as abortion is concerned . A couple of years ago they came out with a list of companies who either directly or thru donations of there parent companies supplied monies to abortion mills. Now the kist i have may or may not be current and i cant hand iit out without having an updated and the clinic where i got this one to start with hasnt updated since then. Have you heard of or no where i might get an updated list like thisone. I found that Chrisitians are always amazed where there money is realling going.

3) My pastor was saying Sunday since we are "brides" of Christ and God hates divorce then by His very nature He could divorce us or alow us to divorce Him.

Just food for thought.Have a blessed day.

John

Subj: Re: More Questions

Date: 3/16/01 11:02:43 PM Central Standard Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: compvalve@truthmail.com

Hello John,

Thanks for you questions and the verse you are referring to is 2 Corinthians 5: 8. We also get that impression from the story in Luke 16:19 and the story of Lazarus and the rich man. There are two Scriptures that deal with what happens after we die in regards to our bodies. The first is in 1 Corinthians 15:

42: So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

51: Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52: In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53: For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

The other Scripture is in 1 Thessalonians 4:

14: For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15: For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16: For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

In Corinthians we are told that we have a Spiritual body and a natural body. The natural body is what dies and our spirit/soul lives on and goes to be with the Lord. When Jesus returns it is our Spiritual body that will be reunited with our Spirits.

The catholics get the doctrine of purgatory from the book of Maccabees (only one verse that alludes to it) and that is why that book is not included in the cannon of Scripture. Purgatory is a man made doctrine of the catholic church along with many others.

The second question about the list of abortion donators I believe could be obtained from any Right to Life organization.

Your third point about God and divorce. It is a correct statement that God does hate divorce but in Matthew 19:1-9 Jesus states that it was granted on one occasion and that being fornication. Therefore I have to believe that the same applies in our spiritual marriage. There were those such as Rev. 2:4 that left their first love, therefore it is possible to violate that spiritual marriage vow. It is no secret that I don't believe in Eternal Security also, check out the web page for more details.

Thanks again John for your question and God bless you, Adam

Subj: Security

Date: 3/18/01 2:06:54 PM Central Standard Time

From: pastorsnipes@juno.com (Douglas B Snipes)

To: adb4jesus@aol.com

Hello,

I was surprised when I clicked on your site to see your stand on security. I was expecting the opposite. I as you believe in conditional security. The condition obviously being faith. I personally choose not to use the word lose but I like forfeit. To be lost again is no accident. Anyway, I just wanted to say thank you for that input on your web site. I was wondering what denomination you are in. I am a Free Will Baptist Preacher. God Bless and thanks for the web site. In Christ, Pastor Snipes

Subj: Re: Security

Date: 3/18/01 2:47:45 PM Central Standard Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: pastorsnipes@juno.com

Hello Pastor Snipes,

Thank you for your kind comments and for letting me know about your thoughts. I attend an independent pentecostal church, and I really do not like what denominational walls have done to the body of Christ. I am not saying that the people themselves are bad but what the concepts of the denominations represent is what separates people. It would really be nice to see the "churches" come together and work for the common goal of winning the world for Christ instead of majoring on the differences of doctrines. Sorry, I know you did not ask for all this, but it is something that I really feel strongly about. Thanks again and hope to talk to you soon, In Christ, Adam

Subj: More Questions

Date: 3/19/01 4:44:14 PM Central Standard Time

From: compvalve@truthmail.com (John McGee)

To: ADB4JESUS@aol.com

Hello Adam:

I hope you had a blessed Lords day as I had. Todays question is about hell.I have always believed in the notion that hell was a burning lake of fire and brimstone where all of the bad people were going at the end. Ive been reading "The Case For Faith" by Lee Strobel and one of the chapters concerns hell. According to J.P. Moreland, PH.D. those verses in the bible are supposed to symbolic in nature and hell is "an absence of God" not a lighted place but a dark place. So whats your take on this. Also how in the world as bible reading Christians are we supposed to know when the to take scriptures as literal truths or symbolic truths. Seems to me its a way to keep bible scholars in business and the rest of us guessing. I know that Jesus spoke in parables some of the times to keep His enemies from discovering His truths but does that mean that the majority of it is the same way and if so why now when we need more direct truths than those people can say are hidden or confusing. Curiousity: how long have you been a believer?

John

Subj: Re: More Questions

Date: 3/20/01 2:29:53 PM Central Standard Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: compvalve@truthmail.com

Hello John,

Thank you for you questions and I will answer them the best that I can. Concerning hell and the fact that there are many out there that want to make it a metaphorical place does not surprise me. It was also the case even back in the first church along with many other erroneous doctrines. Hell is no doubt a real and physical place and it does exist just as the Bible says it does. Those that want to lessen the value of hell only do it to become more politically correct with the culture of today. Today's people do not want to hear that there is a real, physical burning place called hell that they will someday visit if they do not accept Christ as their savior. There is less and less preaching on hell and the reality of sin and the consequences of living in those sins. It is not mistake that the word hell is used over 31 times in the Old Testament and over 22 times in the New Testament. It is also no mistake that the word "fire" as associated with 'hell' is mentioned over 30 times in the New Testament alone. It is a comfortable doctrine to lower the temperature of hell, because it is what the people want to hear. There has to be a time and I believe it is now more than ever for Christians to stop trying to be "man-pleasers" and start being that light that we are supposed to be to a lost and dying world. We must stop trying to accommodate the world and their views and stick to the truth of God's word. We must stop trying to "Spiritualize" and "Symbolize" the core doctrines of our faith to make it more acceptable to the world. It appears anymore that anyone with some type of degree in front of their name can say what they want and no one thinks to challenge them on what they are saying. There have been more heresies introduced since this type of thinking has taken over the church world than ever before. You are correct John about the parables and that they do have symbolic meanings and Jesus made sure to clarify that they did, but He also explained the practical application of them also. That is not the case with the term "hell," nowhere did Jesus ever indicate that hell was not a real or physical place. In fact Luke 16:19-31 proves this fact, because regardless of what some may say this story is NOT a parable. All these people are doing by diminishing the reality of hell is making a more acceptable doctrine that is heresy and does not agree with the Bible.

Your question is well understood about how well intended Christians are to take all these different doctrines. My suggestion is to be cautious about what books you read and never let those books override the Bible. You should always spend double the amount of time in the Bible as you do other books. Also you must understand that anything in these books are the thoughts and doctrines of "Man" and if they do not agree with the Bible then they are worthless. The Bible must always remain the final authority and if there is nowhere in the Bible that is says that hell is a metaphorical place then why should we believe a 'man' that says it does? That is the purpose of the Holy Spirit, to guide you into all truth so when you find yourself getting guidance from books it may be best to put them down and start getting that guidance from the right source.

Your last question about how long I have been a believer; I was saved when I was about 10yrs old, but I was truly born-again on Feb. 13, 90.

Thanks again John for you questions and I hope that I have provided some help for you in this. In Christ, Adam

Subj: divorce

Date: 3/24/01 8:07:20 AM Central Standard Time

From: compvalve@truthmail.com (John McGee)

To: adb4jesus@aol.com

Adam:

this is a sticky one for me to answer i know the bible gives 2 ways to "legally" divorce that i know of..(1) marital unfaithfulness and (2) when believer and non-believer are married...there may be more that i'm not aware of. my wife and i are both divorced but we were saved togehter then baptized together so i know that covered but what hope and scripture can i give other people of divorce that i know, especially those that are already in the church. (2) what is the Lutheran postion with "levels of heaven" anyway...due they just have to believe that not everyone is going to be the same (3) strange on here: i got a flyer from a group that claims the year that Jesus was crucified there were special circumstances that had 2 passover feasts that week instead of one, so that He was crucified and buried on thursday, making sunday morning the third day. and i think they claim His was 27 at death John

Subj: Re: divorce

Date: 3/24/01 12:50:48 PM Central Standard Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: compvalve@truthmail.com

Hello John,

Thank you for your questions and I will answer them as best I can. The subject regarding divorce is one that is often tip-toed around in order to not offend anyone. It should not be so and especially in the church. The scriptures regarding divorce are below.

1 Corinthians 7

10: And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:

11: But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.

12: But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

13: And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.

14: For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

15: But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

16: For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?

Matthew 19

1: And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these sayings, he departed from Galilee, and came into the coasts of Judaea beyond Jordan;

2: And great multitudes followed him; and he healed them there.

3: The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?

4: And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

5: And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

6: Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

7: They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?

8: He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

9: And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

For some reason the church does not want to take the Biblical stand on divorce as it should. Paul makes it clear that Christians are allowed to separate but not divorce. The guidelines are pretty clear as to how God views divorce and what is acceptable and what is not. Society has made it too easy to end marriages and the church world has fallen right into the same trap. Commitments are not kept in very many areas of life in society and the church is not supposed to be like the world in any way. We are to be different and be a light to them and when the divorce rate is as high in the church as the world there is no light shinning.

For question #2 and the Lutheran position on the levels of heaven I am not sure what you are asking. I was not aware that they believed in different levels of heaven. My question would be, what would the different levels be for? If you are talking about the fact that there are different levels in our atmospheric heavens then yes there are different levels. I am really not sure what you are asking regarding this.

For question #3 regarding "special circumstances" and two Passovers I have never heard that and I don't see that agreeing with the Biblical record. There is no reference to that in the Gospels nor anywhere else in Scriptures that I am aware of.

Thanks again for your questions and I hope this has answered them. In Christ, Adam

Subj: Request

Date: 4/2/01 6:14:42 PM Central Daylight Time

From: orah@pacific.net.au (Deborah Lisibach)

To: adb4jesus@aol.com

Hello, my name is Deborah, and I would like to request that you put some scriptures on the answers from the Bible page reguarding God's call to women in ministry. I have recently been involved in a discussion about this subject the person was male and adament that women are not to teach or preach, I go to a church where we have a women pastor, and I believe God calls both men and women to these ministries. Thank you for you site. God bless Deborah.

Subj: Re: Request

Date: 4/3/01 8:50:18 PM Central Daylight Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: orah@pacific.net.au

Hello Deborah,

Thank you very much for your request and I am sorry it took so long to get back to you. I have been extremely busy but that is not a good excuse. Regarding your request I would like to propose something to you. Rather than getting into the specifics of a debate or quoting Scriptures that would support my belief and view of this subject I would like to ask you for something. Would you please provide me with any and all Biblical support for the view of women in ministerial positions? By that I am referring to women as pastors, or leaders over a flock of people. I believe that by this approach you will find that the person you spoke with previously had good reason for his stance. I would never disagree that God does call women to do certain work in the ministry but there is no Biblical support for women in leadership positions in the church. All I am asking is that you give it a fair chance by giving the Biblical support for this view. Thank you very much, in Christ, Adam

Subj: rapture question

Date: 4/11/01 9:59:42 PM Central Daylight Time

From: hansenm@andrews.edu (Michael Hansen)

To: adb4jesus@aol.com

Adam:

I love your website--it's very informative and creative. Even though I haven't looked at most of it, what I have seen is done well.

If you haven't caught it above, my name is Mike Hansen. I came across your site through crossdaily.com. (another great site) I read your presentation on the rapture and wanted to see what you thought about my church's view on J2C. I am a Seventh-day Adventist Christian and I am wondering if you have come across how we believe in terms of the rapture and the millenium. If you don't mind, let me copy into the text numbers 24-27 of our fundamental beliefs and see what you think. Look up the scriptures, and consider how they fit into the picture presented.

I'll finish my email here so you can read. Let me know what you think. Oh, and BTW, if you want to link to it these were taken from our church headquarts, the General Conference website www.adventist.org/beliefs God bless in Jesus,

Mike Hansen

PS Did you know Harry Anderson--a Seventh-day Adventist--painted the beautiful picture of J2C?

PSS Did you write that poem "Twas the Night Jesus Came"? I loved it and forwarded it.

24. The Second Coming of Christ: The second coming of Christ is the blessed hope of the church, the grand climax of the gospel. The Saviour's coming will be literal, personal, visible, and worldwide. When He returns, the righteous dead will be resurrected, and together with the righteous living will be glorified and taken to heaven, but the unrighteous will die. The almost complete fulfillment of most lines of prophecy, together with the present condition of the world, indicates that Christ's coming is imminent. The time of that event has not been revealed, and we are therefore exhorted to be ready at all times. (Titus 2:13; Heb. 9:28; John 14:1-3; Acts 1:9-11; Matt. 24:14; Rev. 1:7; Matt. 24:43, 44; 1 Thess. 4:13-18; 1 Cor. 15:51-54; 2 Thess. 1:7-10; 2:8; Rev. 14:14-20; 19:11-21; Matt. 24; Mark 13; Luke 21; 2 Tim. 3:1-5; 1 Thess. 5:1-6.)

25. Death and Resurrection: The wages of sin is death. But God, who alone is immortal, will grant eternal life to His redeemed. Until that day death is an unconscious state for all people. When Christ, who is our life, appears, the resurrected righteous and the living righteous will be glorified and caught up to meet their Lord. The second resurrection, the resurrection of the unrighteous, will take place a thousand years later. (Rom. 6:23; 1 Tim. 6:15, 16; Eccl. 9:5, 6; Ps. 146:3, 4; John 11:11-14; Col. 3:4; 1 Cor. 15:51-54; 1 Thess. 4:13-17; John 5:28, 29; Rev. 20:1-10.)

26. The Millennium and the End of Sin: The millennium is the thousand-year reign of Christ with His saints in heaven between the first and second resurrections. During this time the wicked dead will be judged; the earth will be utterly desolate, without living human inhabitants, but occupied by Satan and his angels. At its close Christ with His saints and the Holy City will descend from heaven to earth. The unrighteous dead will then be resurrected, and with Satan and his angels will surround the city; but fire from God will consume them and cleanse the earth. The universe will thus be freed of sin and sinners forever. (Rev. 20; 1 Cor. 6:2, 3; Jer. 4:23-26; Rev. 21:1-5; Mal. 4:1; Eze. 28:18, 19.)

27. The New Earth: On the new earth, in which righteousness dwells, God will provide an eternal home for the redeemed and a perfect environment for everlasting life, love, joy, and learning in His presence. For here God Himself will dwell with His people, and suffering and death will have passed away. The great controversy will be ended, and sin will be no more. All things, animate and inanimate, will declare that God is love; and He shall reign forever. Amen. (2 Peter 3:13; Isa. 35; 65:17-25; Matt. 5:5; Rev. 21:1-7; 22:1-5; 11:15.)

Subj: Re: rapture question

Date: 4/14/01 7:50:48 PM Central Daylight Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: hansenm@andrews.edu

Hello Mike,

I am sorry that it took me so long to respond to your question about the doctrine you sent regarding the rapture and millennium. I have looked over the information you sent and I also looked at the web page link you sent for the Seventh Day Adventist doctrines. With point #24 I have no problem whatsoever and agree with the scriptures and statements accompanying this point. I do have some differences with points # 25 & 26 and will state them for you.

Point #25 states that:

25. Death and Resurrection:

The wages of sin is death. But God, who alone is immortal, will grant eternal life to His redeemed. Until that day death is an unconscious state for all people. When Christ, who is our life, appears, the resurrected righteous and the living righteous will be glorified and caught up to meet their Lord. The second resurrection, the resurrection of the unrighteous, will take place a thousand years later. (Rom. 6:23; 1 Tim. 6:15, 16; Eccl. 9:5, 6; Ps. 146:3, 4; John 11:11-14; Col. 3:4; 1 Cor. 15:51-54; 1 Thess. 4:13-17; John 5:28, 29; Rev. 20:1-10.)

I have underlined my concern and I may be misunderstanding the statement being made. It is my understanding from Scripture that there is a conscious state immediately after death. The Scriptures that I view in that manner are Luke 16:19-31 and Matthew 17:3. Regardless of some opinions Luke 16:19-31 is not a parable. I do agree with the remainder of this point as to how it is stated.

Point #26 States that:

26. The Millennium and the End of Sin:

The millennium is the thousand-year reign of Christ with His saints in heaven between the first and second resurrections. During this time the wicked dead will be judged; the earth will be utterly desolate, without living human inhabitants, but occupied by Satan and his angels. At its close Christ with His saints and the Holy City will descend from heaven to earth. The unrighteous dead will then be resurrected, and with Satan and his angels will surround the city; but fire from God will consume them and cleanse the earth. The universe will thus be freed of sin and sinners forever. (Rev. 20; 1 Cor. 6:2, 3; Jer. 4:23-26; Rev. 21:1-5; Mal. 4:1; Eze. 28:18, 19.)

I did not underline any of this section because I would underline it all. I do not agree with any of the above interpretation of the Millennial Reign. According to Zechariah 14 Christ will set His foot on the Mount of Olives and from that point set up the Kingdom and reign here on the earth for 1,000 years. Vs. 17-18 emphasize that point along with Revelation 20: 8-9 and Isaiah 65: 18-25 and Isaiah 11: 1-9. Jesus will return to this earth physically and set His foot on the Mount of Olives and it will split in two and He will then proceed to reign and rule over those on the earth for 1,000 years. During this 1,000 years it is also evident that longevity of life will return and that there will be death during this time according to the scripture in Isaiah 65: 18-25. It is my understanding of these passages of Scriptures that satan will be bound in the bottomless pit during this Millennial period. At the end of this time period he will be loosed and once again gather together a countless army to try for one last time to fight against the Lord and His saints, this according to Revelation 20. It is also evident that during this time period that even though satan is bound that there will still be those that will not do what is right according to Zechariah 14:17-18. In Isaiah 65: 20 it also indicates that there will be those that will even sin and that sinners will not live long during this time period. I believe that these Scriptures do agree with this interpretation of the Millennial period.

Thank you once again Mike for your comments and the question and I hope that this has answered you accordingly. I did not write the poem "Twas the Night Before Jesus Came" it was sent to me by a friend. Thank you again for your kind comments about the site and hope to hear from you soon, in Christ, Adam

Subj: Would like your thoughts on a issue

Date: 4/18/01 11:18:22 PM Central Daylight Time

From: ishepherdu@christianemail.com (Dennis Andrews)

Reply-to: ishepherdu@christianemail.com

To: adb4jesus@aol.com

Dear One,

I heard a renowed christian leader by the name of Dr. Dobson discuss a controversial issue in a way that I think was strange and unbecoming of a leader. In fact, I am persuaded of the Lord(by His Spirit)that this man and countless others in church leadership are perverting the TRUTH and POWER of the gospel by teaching a doctrine that is widely acceptted today in all but a few churches. In effect, This is what Dr. Dobson said, "If you believe that you have a alcohol addiction then I suggest that you attend Alcoholics Anonymous" No plea was made for the gospel! Evidently He falsely believes that all forms of addictions are biologically a disease as if it is not a sin. This is that specific doctrine of demons(seducing spirits)that blinds many religious leaders today into perverting the truth of the gospel. The leaders teach this false doctrine because frankly it is acceptable and profitable to "promote" it. People make careers over the business of treating the addiction as if it is "just a disease." To proclaim the TRUTH that addiction is sin or Satan(or more perfectly UNBELIEF)wouldn't appeal to the godless. I am very concerned my dear one that we are seeing an onslaught of demonic activity deceiving many in christendom. Tell me, what are your thoughts on what I have written! what are your honest observations? I am very thankful that the Lord has guided my heart and mind to find your website online (no small task for a novice)and I hope that you will stand with me against this onslaught. If you agree, let us pray God will grant us the spirit of revelation and wisdom in persuading all men to repent and draw near to Jesus of Nazereth, that he may grant them eternal life. This is He who has given us the annoiting so that we may understand how to live holy and faith-full lives in this evil age. By the way, I belong to no denomination, save them who follow the Lords teaching. I do prefer the Plymouth Brethren for they are known to meet in the manner which is consistent with the apostles teaching. Farewell in His Faith(Gal 2:20) Dennis Andrews

Subj: Re: Would like your thoughts on a issue

Date: 4/20/01 9:50:13 AM Central Daylight Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: ishepherdu@christianemail.com

Hello Dennis,

I apologize for taking so long to get back to you but my schedule and getting things ready for the upcoming Eastern Kentucky trip have really swamped me. I appreciate you letter to me and the concerns you voiced and I will tell you what I believe regarding what you have sent. I did not hear the statement by Dr. Dobson and it does somewhat surprise me that he would say that because he is generally pretty solid. However, it does not surprise me in the sense that I have heard many well known ministers proclaim things that are very concerning and even non Biblical. We are living in this time in history that we can only expect that these things will happen even more frequently the closer we get. You are right in your assertion that there are many ministers that are not teaching about the spiritual warfare that exists. It may be in part to their lack of realization of it or that it does not 'sell tickets.' That is sad to say but unfortunately true of most of the big ministries today, their concern is in the offering plate and nothing more. The church world is in extreme peril and what is even worse is that the majority does not even see it. God will always have a remnant as He has proven throughout time in the Word. Unfortunately there are millions that are unaware of what is happening because they are not studying the Word for themselves. That statement is evident in the fact that so many of these ministers are saying things like you mentioned and no one seems to have a problem with it. With the exception of those like yourself that want to question something that does not fit, of course we are going to be ostracized because of that stand also. Just remember Dennis that the prophets were not well received among the people with what they had to say either. Stand strong on your convictions and stay in the Word to back them up. It sounds like you are on the right path; just don't let anyone persuade you to compromise your convictions. It is refreshing to see that there are others out there that still have these convictions and burdens and I could not encourage you enough to stand strong and never waver from this present state. May God bless you and give you the wisdom and courage to stand strong and bold for the truth. In Christ, Adam

Subj:

Date: 4/25/01 10:44:44 PM Central Daylight Time

From: ben11912@yahoo.co.nz (Ben Wong)

To: ADB4JESUS@aol.com

Hi, i was wondering if you could answer my question since there is a responses segment on your christian web site. Well my question is, is it true that people are born homosexual or do their enviroment cause them to become homosexual. Thanks Ben

Subj: Re:

Date: 4/26/01 8:46:35 PM Central Daylight Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: ben11912@yahoo.co.nz

Hello Ben,

Thank you very much for your question and I would be happy to answer it. The homosexual movement has for several years been very adamantly forcing their views on the general public. They push for not only acceptance of what they do but to force their views to be morally right. God has made it very clear in His Word that the act of homosexuality is not only "SIN" but an "abomination" to Him. I do have a section on my web page on homosexuality and I have taken the liberty to paste it below for you, but if you would like to look at it yourself simply go to the page called, "Answers from the Bible" and scroll down to the topic. If this does not answer your question please let me know and I will be glad to give you as much information regarding this as you like. Please note the content from my page on this subject:

Homosexuality

There is a strong drive in society today trying to sway the minds of people that homosexuality is not only hereditary but should be accepted as an alternative lifestyle. The homosexual movement is making powerful efforts to convince society that it is a normal happening. The media and Hollywood has jumped on the bandwagon with them by using movies, TV shows, and tabloids to promote this perverseness. Regardless of what popular opinion has to say the Word of God is clear that it is an Abomination to God and a SIN.

Romans 1:24-27-- Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25. who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26. For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

Leviticus 18:22-- You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.

Leviticus 20:13-- If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10-- Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10. Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

Deuteronomy 22:5-- A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman's garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the LORD your God.

Jude 7-- ...as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

1 Timothy 1:9-10-- ...knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane...10. for fornicators, for sodomites...

Colossians 3:5-6-- Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. 6. Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience.

**The following are facts that the Homosexual movement does not want made public:**

Statistics You Should Know: It's Not Just Holding Hands

65% of all reported AIDS cases among males in the United States since 1981 have been men engaged in homosexual behavior. (Center for Disease Control HIV/AIDS Surveillance Report, Vol. 9, No. 2, May, 1998)

Homosexuals account for an overwhelmingly disproportionate number of cases of Gonorrhea, Hepatitis A, and Hepatitis B. (JAMA, 1986)

40% report they have had more than 40 partners; 24% report they have had more than 100 partners. (genre Magazine, 10/96)

52% report they have had sex in a public park; 46% report they have had sex in a public bathroom. (genre Magazine, 10/96)

32% report they had "tied each other up" during sex, a form of sadomasochism. (genre Magazine, 10/96)

Seven DEMANDS of the Homosexual Agenda:

Set forth and distributed at the "Gay Pride" March on Washington, D.C., April 25, 1993

Demand the repeal of all sodomy laws and legalization of all forms of sexual expression. (Including pedophilia, changing age of consent laws to allow sex with youth.)

Demand defense budget funds be diverted to cover AIDS patients' medical expenses, and taxpayer funding of sex change operations.

Demand the legalization of same sex marriages, and legalization of adoption, custody, and foster care within these structures.

Demand the full inclusion of lesbians, homosexual men, bisexuals and trans-genders in education and childcare.

Demand that contraceptives and abortion services be made available to all persons, regardless of age.

Demand taxpayer funding for artificial insemination of lesbians and bisexuals. Forbid religious based concerns regarding homosexuality from being expressed [as is already the case on radio & TV in Canada].

Demand that organizations, such as Boy Scouts, be required to accept homosexual scoutmasters.

The Deceptive Portrayal

In their blueprint for homosexual activism, After the Ball, Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen teach that activists must "desensitize straights to gays and gayness, inundate them in a continuous flow of gay-related advertising." They advocate that the portrayal of homosexuals should be positive and non-threatening, "First you get your foot in the door, by being as similar as possible. Then, and only then—when your one little difference is finally accepted—can you start dragging in your other peculiarities, one by one."

Homosexual Deception

"In the early stages of any campaign to reach straight America, the masses should not be shocked and repelled by premature exposure to homosexual behavior itself. Instead, the imagery of sex should be downplayed and gay-rights should be reduced to an abstract social question as much as possible. First, let the camel get his nose inside the tent — and only later his unsightly derriere!"

Marshall Kirk, Erastes Pill,

The Overhauling of Straight America

Forced Acceptance

When a diversity consultant in 1994 asked whether some employees might be reluctant to undergo sensitivity training on homosexuality, openly homosexual U.S. Patents and Trademark Commissioner Bruce Lehmen replied: It's got to be forced down their throats. If they want to be bigots, they can go work for someone else's department.

Washington Times, 9/8/94

Free Speech – Outlawed!

Last year the California Legislature voted to allow citizens to use public, taxpayer money to sue Christian organizations (like radio stations or schools) that refer to homosexuality as a sin. (You know, like in the Bible?) This bill, AB257, actually passed in both Houses, only to be vetoed by outgoing Governor Pete Wilson. Another bill, AB310, would have put churches under state regulation, so they would be forced to hire homosexuals.

Homosexuality, Mental Illness, and the American Psychiatric Association

In 1973, the APA removed Homosexuality from its diagnostic category of mental illnesses. This action came not as a result of new research and findings, but was ultimately brought about by militant protest staged by activists at the APA annual convention. In other words, intimidation was a key motivation. In fact, only 16% of the entire APA membership actually voted in favor of the radical change. Homosexuality, Dr. James Mallory, Head of Psychiatric unit – Rapha Center, Atlanta, Ga.; Ronald Bayer, Homosexuality and American Psychiatry: The Politics of Diagnosis (N.Y.: Basic Books, 1981), 101-54; Wm. Dannemeyer, Shadow in the Land (San Fran.: Ignatius Press, 1989), 24-39.

Homosexuality is Not a Civil Right

The assertion that homosexuals are a true minority group is false. Minority status has been determined by the U.S. Supreme Court Based on three criteria:

Economic Deprivation – NO! Those engaged in the homosexual lifestyle are among the most advantaged people in the U.S. On average, they have a higher per capita income than heterosexuals, and higher household incomes. (W.S. Journal, 2/10/89; N.Y. Times, 8/22/90).

Political Powerlessness – NO! Homosexuals demonstrate great influential political power far beyond their actual numbers. The Human Rights Campaign Fund has annually donated millions of dollars to candidates, more than most other non-corporate PACs. (The Economist, 4/24/93) Media news and entertainment coverage is overwhelmingly favorable. (Turn your TV on!)

Immutable Characteristics – NO! Minority groups share unchangeable, benign, non-behavioral traits such as race, ethnicity, disability or national origin. Homosexuals are the only group to claim minority status based on behavior!

Below is also the link for that particular page. Thank you again for your question and I pray this has helped you. In Christ, Adam

http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/adb4jesus/AnswersFromTheBible1.htm

Subj: Informative website

Date: 4/26/01 7:31:54 PM Central Daylight Time

From: bobafett@mainbyteweb.com (Matthew Wuertz)

Reply-to: bobafett@mainbyteweb.com (Matthew Wuertz)

To: adb4jesus@aol.com

I'm not sure if anyone actually reads these emails since you are probably bombarded daily with them. I've only read Adam Bartlett's page on Catholic Beliefs, but in reading that I am making the assumption that this is in fact a Christian web site that believes only in the Bible.

I grew up in a dead church that never spoke about salvation at all. A few months ago, I prayed a sinner's prayer and accepted Jesus into my life, and it has forever changed me. For the first time in my life, I'm actually filled with the Holy Spirit, reading the Bible, praying daily, and reading other Christian material (The Prayer of Jabez was the last book I read). I'm finding myself trying to enlighten my parents about salvation, but they don't know the Bible. I live in a different city from them, but my Dad has promised to sit down with me and read the Bible. This will be my chance to show what Christianity really is. I'm going to focus on Paul's letter Romans and then see what kind of questions he has for me, and answer them with the Bible.

I've been hearing a lot about cults - from Jehovah's Witnesses to Mormons, but a lot of people tend to shy away from pointing out what I think is the obvious - that the Catholic Church is in fact a cult, made so by the fact that they choose bits and pieces of the Bible to believe and ignore other parts. The Bible is the complete word of God, infallible, and if you don't believe that, you have some problems. That is why I read it because I don't know much of it. I was looking for some documentation as to what the Catholic Church's doctrines are because I know that is what defines their religion, not the Bible. I was glad to discover this website, not because I want to judge anyone, but because I want to be able to defend myself against those who are lost but think they are right.

Currently, I have a calling of trying to save not only my parents, but the entire congregation of that dead church that I grew up in. It's not going to be easy - that church has people in it that are Shriners and Free Masons, and I already know that those are wrong in their beliefs (who would have thought that the same Shriners that dress up like clowns also have their own Bible?).

I will pray that you reach those that are lost, whether they're cultists or Catholics or simply thirsty for Jesus, and make Catholics rethink their stance and actually READ THE BIBLE. I don't mean to shout to any who read this email, who already know this, but it upsets me that this great book of wisdom that God has given to us is just lying on some people's shelves somewhere, never being picked up. Jesus saves!! -Matt Wuertz

Subj: Re: Informative website

Date: 4/26/01 8:54:16 PM Central Daylight Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: bobafett@mainbyteweb.com

Hello Matt,

Thank you so much for you email and yes, someone does read these emails. Thank you for your kind comments regarding the site and I am very glad to hear of your conversion into the family of God. I am even more excited about your zeal for the Word and the truth. I completely understand about the "dead church" thing and encourage you to read the page I have on the site entitled, "Why is the Church on Life Support." I think you will find it enlightening and also very descriptive of the church in our country today. It is very encouraging to hear the zeal in you and the desire to seek the truth and I do pray for your family. You are completely right about the Masons and Shriners that they are not godly organizations. Thank you again for your comments and may God bless you as you strive for a closer walk with Him. May God give you wisdom on how to approach your family and that members of that "dead church" they attend. God bless you, in Christ, Adam

Subj: Re:

Date: 4/26/01 10:48:12 PM Central Daylight Time

From: ben11912@yahoo.co.nz (Ben Wong)

To: ADB4JESUS@aol.com

I would like to thank you sincerely for this extremely informative reply, this has really help me get a clear view on this subject.

God Bless Ben

Subj:

Date: 5/22/01 4:00:38 PM Central Daylight Time

From: compvalve@truthmail.com (John McGee)

To: ADB4JESUS@aol.com

Adam: I recently saw an email you sent out about the dangers involved with the Harry Potters books and would like to get another copy of it because i didnt get one the first time around and the copy i saw was difficult to read. Also were do you stand on Christian schooling : do you think that the kids shouls start in christian schools then move to public when they are older or do you believe they should wait till they are in college instead. Yours in Christ John McGee

Subj: Re:

Date: 5/28/01 10:51:48 PM Central Daylight Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: compvalve@truthmail.com

Hello John,

Thank you so much for your question and for being so patient for my response. We returned from the mission trip today and it was great. Now, to your question, I will try to find that email and send it to you.

As for the question regarding Christian School; I believe that anyone that can afford to send their children to a Christian school should do so and for as long as that particular school will take them. It is a shame that the Christian schools cost so much and therefore keep many kids from being able to receive that type of education. It is even more of a shame that the churches cannot see this great need and find ways to come together and pool monies to make it available to as many as possible. It is sad that the 'church' is too caught up in the fancy monuments and building their numbers to think about the great opportunity to mode children's minds into Godly morality. It is quite obvious by this very issue alone that the "church" world has missed the mark and it's true calling. I commend those churches that do have schools and would urge others to find ways to come together for this purpose and make it available to many more children.

Thanks again for your question John and God bless you, In Christ, Adam

Subj: Tracts

Date: 6/4/01 2:02:47 PM Central Daylight Time

From: Marty.Franklin@ual.com

To: adb4jesus@aol.com

I just want to thank you for the tracts I found in your web site with the invitation to copy them and use them. I use tracts like these in my email ministry. I copied all of them and I plan to use them. Thank you. Marty Franklin

Subj: Re: Tracts

Date: 6/9/01 5:47:22 PM Central Daylight Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: Marty.Franklin@ual.com

Hello Marty,

Thank you so much for your email and I am sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I was away on a business trip and just returned. I am delighted that you have chosen to use the tracts and that is exactly what I wanted them to be used for. Thanks again for letting me know and for using them to spread the Gospel. God bless you and the work you are doing, In Christ, Adam

Subj: (no subject)

Date: 7/14/01 9:06:07 AM Central Daylight Time

From: Savebygrace51

To: ADB4JESUS

Hello, Adam I know you are doing a good work for Jesus.I enjoy your point of view about the catholic. I always want some one to make a point about them. You made the right point of view.Satan plant any one who is against Christ.they dont follow what Christ teach. That was the devil plan.Now we have a lots of people,who are simple mind easy to be mislead, follow him. Your comments are very moving to me. thank God for someone like you.God bless your christain web site, and you and your entire family.

Subj: Re: (no subject)

Date: 7/14/01 7:15:57 PM Central Daylight Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: Savebygrace51

Hello,

Thank you so much for the kind words and I am glad to hear that you agree with the catholic pages. It is good to know that there are others that see the truth of their dangerous doctrine also. Thanks again and God bless you also, In Christ, Adam

Subj: (no subject)

Date: 7/29/01 12:33:24 PM Central Daylight Time

From: Savebygrace51

To: ADB4JESUS

Hello , adam I enjoy readin adams stuff.I read all of them. I find it is very inspiring to me .I am gonig to tell everybody about you site.I want to say something about Gen 9 ;6.I strongly believe God do have a hand in the legal institution.God say WHOSO SHEDDETH MAN'S BLOOD (by man shall his blood be shed;). What man God was takling about.I know He was talking about who ever in the legal Institution. I use to dont believe in the legal Insstitution,that they shoud;nt kill;but got lead me to this book and chapter.now I feel better about this ,If man kill man, man should die by man hand that is the legal Institution.

Subj: Re: (no subject)

Date: 7/30/01 6:30:50 PM Central Daylight Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: Savebygrace51

Hello,

Thank you for your email and the kind words about the site. I am glad that you visited the site and more than that I am glad that you found things inspiring. The purpose of the site is to be informative and inspiring and challenging. I am not sure I understand completely your question about "capitol punishment."

I do agree with you that God is in control of government and that He has placed those in the places they are in. I cannot agree though that God does condone capitol punishment for the following reasons.

The commandment from God that "Thou shall not kill" applies at all levels and therefore does not give even our legal institutions the right to take a life. Regardless of the crime the right to take another’s life is still the sole right of God alone. Even in the case of the first murder by Cain, God did not take his life; in fact God placed a mark on him to ensure that no one else took his life either.

If God were in favor of capitol punishment then it would be hard to understand how He could go against that by not only forgiving Saul (Paul) but using him as a great apostle. Paul was responsible for many deaths of Christians at that time and you would think that if God were in favor of capitol punishment that Paul would have been one of the first to suffer under this law. What about David, when he had Bathsheba's husband killed in order to have her? What about Moses? What about Cain?

My point is this; there are many instances in the Bible where one person killed another person but their life was not required as a result. Don't misunderstand me, I do not think that God condones murder at anytime and I believe it angers God for one person to kill another. I believe that the taking of life for whatever reason should be reserved for the creator of that life. Does the clay have control over the potter? God is the creator of all life and therefore should be the one to decide when that life is to end.

I hope this helps you understand capitol punishment a little better, at least from my view which I believe to be Biblical. Thanks again for writing and God bless you, In Christ, Adam

Subj: Re: question

Date: 8/6/01 10:38:23 PM Central Daylight Time

From: ben11912@yahoo.co.nz (Ben Wong)

To: ADB4JESUS@aol.com

Hey Adam, this is Ben again, well i have another question, do you know when God said that there will be great pouring of his spirit during the end of days, well will that be before or after the antichrist comes? also will we be taken to heaven before, after or during the antichrist comes? Well i would be looking foward to your reply, Thanx Ben

Subj: Re: question

Date: 8/7/01 5:22:33 PM Central Daylight Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: ben11912@yahoo.co.nz

Hello Ben,

Thank you for the question and a good one it is. From my understanding and what I believe the Bible to say is the following on this subject.

The pouring out of the Spirit that you indicated and that is spoken of in Joel 2:28-32 which was also quoted by Peter in Acts 2:16-21. Peter said that "This was that which was spoken of by the prophet Joel" which indicates to me that the prophecy was at least in part being fulfilled. There is a great controversy over the time when this prophecy was or will be fulfilled. Some people believe that the "first stage" of this prophecy was fulfilled at Pentecost. They claim that Peter connected the events of that day with Joel's prophecy dealing with the coming "Day of the Lord." However, many of the parts of this prophecy were not fulfilled in Acts, or that we know of by what is indicated in scriptures. Those who believe that Pentecost was the "first stage" claim Peter was saying that only the first part of Joel's prophecy was being fulfilled. Others claim that none of this prophecy was fulfilled at Pentecost, and that it was used by Peter as an example of how the work of the Holy Spirit may be marked by extraordinary phenomenon. His emphasis was that he was calling "on the name of the Lord." Peter was merely responding to those who said that they were drunk. I tend to believe the first scenario that it was fulfilled in part on Pentecost and that it has been unfolding throughout the 'church' age and will continue until the Tribulation. Most of the things mentioned in the prophecy will occur in or during the Tribulation period.

As for the timing of the anti-christ there is much debate over that also as it pertains to the "rapture" of the church. I personally believe that the "rapture" will take place before the tribulation and that we will not see the anti-christ according to 2 Thessalonians 2 and Revelation 3:10 and many others. There is a page on the web site that answers most of these questions; http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/adb4jesus/RAPTURE1.htm

You may find that page helpful but if it does not answer your question please let me know and I will try to give you a more in-depth answer.

Thanks again for your question and God bless you, Adam

Subj: Re: question

Date: 8/7/01 10:55:31 PM Central Daylight Time

From: ben11912@yahoo.co.nz (Ben Wong)

To: ADB4JESUS@aol.com

Hey Adam, thanks a lot for your swift response, you see i was getting abit concerned about what is currently going on in Israel, and how some preaches are saying the end is near, well thanks again, Bye Ben

Subj: Re: question

Date: 8/10/01 9:32:22 PM Central Daylight Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: ben11912@yahoo.co.nz

Hello Ben,

Thank you for your comments and you are very right as with everyone else that are concerned with the current conditions in Israel. It is very interesting to see what is transpiring each day in Israel. I truly believe with all my heart that the things that are transpiring are leading ever closer to the Tribulation period and the introduction of the peace treaty initiated by the anti-christ. I believe as well as many other ministers and theologians that we are living on a day to day basis as to the expectancy of seeing the Rapture take place at any moment. It is truly an exciting time as well as a sobering time to think of all the lost that need to be reached with the Gospel before that great event happens. I can only encourage you Ben to live all you can for Christ and witness every chance you get. Time is truly short! Thanks again, Adam

Subj: Could you please Advise?

Date: 8/23/01 6:30:19 PM Central Daylight Time

From: melkat@netins.net (Melanie Gleason)

To: adb4jesus@aol.com

Hello, I was wondering if you could answer a few questions for me. I have done some extensive research on a topic and have come across some rather interesting/upsetting truths. But before I tell you what I've learned, I would like your thoughts first.

1. Is the Christian obligated to obey the Ten Commandments? What do they mean to you?

Please advise on this matter before I continue. Please be patient with me and give what I'm going to throw at you some serious thought, using the Bible as the sole authority for Truth.

Thank you so much for your time and God Bless you!

P.S. I very much appreciate your showing the truth in regards to the Catholic Church. On this I have done considerable study also.

Melanie

Subj: Re: Could you please Advise?

Date: 8/23/01 11:53:27 PM Central Daylight Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: melkat@netins.net

Hello Melanie,

Thank you for your question and I will give you the best answer that I can, not knowing what the motive is for the question. I have copied the question below for reference;

1. Is the Christian obligated to obey the Ten Commandments? What do they mean to you?

In response to the first part of the question is it "yes" but I would like to explain my answer. I believe that Jesus came and fulfilled ALL of the law and therefore as we follow Christ we will in the process obey the Ten Commandments. I will use a lot of Scripture to make my point and that is where we always want to derive our answers. Before I get into the answer I would say that it is highly recommended for anyone concerned about the "law" and how it applies to the Christian's life to read Romans 1-11 and Hebrews 1-10. Both of these books have wonderful explanations of this very topic and I will use much of those scriptures in this reply. First of all Jesus made it clear that loving God with everything that is within you and loving your neighbor as yourself encompasses all the laws.

Matthew 22

34: But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.

35: Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,

36: Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37: Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38: This is the first and great commandment.

39: And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40: On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

He also made it clear that His mission was to fulfill that law that was incomplete in what it could accomplish. The following Scriptures convey that very thought of how the "law" had a purpose in the believer's life. The law was our 'schoolmaster'

Galatians 3

17: And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18: For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19: Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20: Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

21: Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22: But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23: But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24: Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25: But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

26: For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Matthew 5

17: Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18: For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19: Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20: For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Romans 2

12: For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

13: (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

14: For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

28: For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Romans 3

21: But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22: Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24: Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26: To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

27: Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

28: Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

29: Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

30: Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

31: Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Romans 7

1: Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

2: For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

3: So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

4: Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

5: For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

6: But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

7: What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8: But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

9: For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

10: And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

11: For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

12: Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

13: Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

Romans 10

4: For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Hebrews 7

18: For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19: For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Hebrews 8

7: For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

8: For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

10: For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12: For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

13: In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Hebrews 10

1: For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2: For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3: But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4: For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

5: Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

6: In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

7: Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

8: Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

9: Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10: By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11: And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

13: From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

14: For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

I believe that the Scriptures clearly indicate that the law was completely fulfilled by Christ and therefore we are not under the "law" as it was intended for the Old Testament people. Because Christ fulfilled the "law" which includes the Ten Commandments we are bound to the teachings of Jesus, which as I indicated earlier encompass the "law." So when I said yes above in response to your question it was "yes" through the complete work of Christ and not as intended for the Old Testament era.

The second part of your question asks what they mean to me. The law had a purpose to serve and that was to reveal to a person their inadequacies in their ability to obey God. I believe that we have the same things revealed to us but through the Holy Spirit and the convicting power of the Spirit combined with the Word of God. In the Old Testament era God worked through external laws to point one to the truth and expose the sins and errors in their ways. In the New Testament era the Holy Spirit works within our heart to reveal these same traits in us. Just as Hebrews and Jeremiah say, "God desired to put His laws in our minds and heart, not on tablets of stone." So should Christians obey the Ten Commandments? Yes! Are we to be subjected to the binding of the Old laws? No! Through following the commands of Christ we will be fulfilling the requirements of the 'law' because Christ fulfilled them and we are "in Him." The purpose of the law was to give the people a system in which it would distinguish them from the rest of the world and require them to live morally and ethically above the rest of the people. There were 613 laws in total for the Jewish people and Christ fulfilled every one of them.

I hope that this answers your question and God bless, Adam

Subj: I am searching for assistance in forming a Bible Study

Date: 9/5/01 7:22:32 AM Central Daylight Time

From: gods_girl57@hotmail.com (Nichole K.)

To: Adb4jesus@aol.com

Dear Adam,

I a junior at Chesaning High School in Michigan. I am a part of a class for the gifted and talented. I am writing you for some help. My friend Jeni and I are trying to start a Bible study here at the high school. We feel it can serve as tool that all students can use. I got your email address from the Public School Bible Study Outreach Ministries web page. I was hoping that you would be able to help us in our quest to accomplish what the administrators here feel is impossible.

Thank You Sincerely, Nichole Knoellinger

Subj: Re: I am searching for assistance in forming a Bible S

Date: 9/5/01 8:04:07 AM Central Daylight Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: gods_girl57@hotmail.com

Hello Nichole,

I was so happy to see your email and to know that there are still kids out there that love God and want to serve Him in spite of the opposition. You have inspired my day, Thanks.

You can start a Bible Study anytime you wish on the school campus after school hours. It is perfectly legal and you have the same right to do so as any other civic or private group. You also have the right to distribute fliers or any kind of literature to advertise your studies. I am not sure what kind of help you are requesting so I will try to cover both your right to do it as well as provide you with material for the studies. I am so proud of you and Jeni, what you are doing is needed so badly in every school. I will also put you in contact with Debbie Flowers who is the one that made the web site you got my email address from. She can be very helpful in this area also. I am attaching some lessons that I have made designed just for teenagers based on questions they asked during a Release Time Program I was helping with. If there is anything else I can help you with please let me know, and if I have not given you what you were looking for let me know that also. I also have a page on my site with Bible Study shells that you can use for this also. God bless you and what you are trying to do and may God open the doors to make your work easier and accepted. In Christ, Adam

http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/adb4jesus/BIBLEHEADQUARTERS.htm

I will forward these emails to Debbie and she will probably contact you also. Please let me know if the attachment will not open for you and I will send them a different way.

Subj: a comment

Date: 10/5/01 7:30:46 PM Central Daylight Time

From: ADBOND@IUS.EDU (BOND, APRIL DAWN)

To: adb4jesus@aol.com ('adb4jesus@aol.com')

CC: billvarmint@juno.com ('billvarmint@juno.com')

I just read your article about the practice of Catholic traditions versus the scriptures (http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Column/7574/CATHOLIC1.htm) and I would have to say that you make some very valid points as far as the Scriptures are concerned. Indees they are what is fundamental to the Christian faith. However, the general tone of the document is somewhat offensive. I am not a Catholic, nor have I been one, but I know from experience that many Catholics are unwilling to even discuss their beliefs with Protestants because often the Protestants come off as acting as if their way is the only way and that Catholics are totally and completely wrong. My boyfriend is Catholic and we have had many discussions on the subject, however I don't get in his face about things I disagree with, instead I explain my beliefs in ways that he can identify with. Who am I to say that the practice of many of their traditions are wrong? What about these words spoken by Paul? "So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter." [2Thess 2:15] What matters is the fundamental belief that Jesus died on the cross and rose again in three days for the forgiveness of sins. Why does it really matter if they pray to Mary? It is not worship as you call it. Mary is honored in the Catholic faith jsut as you would honir your parents or pay honor to a king. It is not worship. Many of your assumptions are based on individuals. The Catholic church is not corrupt, but like all other Christian faiths has members of its body who are fallible human beings prone to making mistakes and corrupting what was meant to be pure. The Catholic Church does not discourage the reading of scripture and it doesn't say tradition is more important either. I think you should have gotten your facts straight before coming to such condemning conclusions about your fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.

Subj: Re: a comment

Date: 10/6/01 10:59:15 PM Central Daylight Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: ADBOND@IUS.EDU

CC: billvarmint@juno.com

 

Dear April,

Thank you for your comments and for sharing your thoughts about the catholic faith. Unfortunately you did not read carefully the pages on catholicism from the site. If you did you would have seen that they were directed at the catholic leadership and not the common lay person. You would have also seen that I did not base my findings on other people's examples but on facts from the catholics own web sites and publications. You would have also seen that I challenged anyone reading those pages to show me the Biblical errors to those statements made. I also suggest that you read the catholic's own doctrine before claiming that they do not believe the things as I listed them. I will include the sites for you to examine for yourself:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/

http://www.catholic.org/

http://www.christusrex.org/www1/CDHN/ccc.html

I also encourage you to visit this particular page about the saints of the catholic church and see the complete heretical view of saints. http://saints.catholic.org/patron.html

Tell me, how would you like to be the saint of "Hemorrhoid sufferers" or what about "Hernia sufferers" or better yet how about "Dog bites"? Believe me there are more crazy ones in there just look for yourself.

As far as your statement about how do we have the right to judge someone's faith or their practice of traditions? Well, the Bible is the final authority on all things and must be as it is God's word. God does not need any help from man to keep the Bible the way He intended it, but when man tries to incorporate false teachings that distort that Word (which is exactly what the catholic church has done) then it is easy to judge. It is not only our right to judge doctrine or "traditions" in this case but it is a command. Look at Galatians 1:6-10 and you will see that directive. You are also very misled about the fact that they do most certainly "Worship" Mary as well as pray to her and thousands of saints as well. That is an abomination to God to imply that there is some other mediator needed than Christ. I am truly sorry that you don't understand the complete seriousness of this matter but I can only suggest that you do much more study. The catholic doctrine is very dangerous and very heretical and that may not be politically correct to say so but it is the complete truth. They have perverted the Gospel with traditions of man. I cannot apologize for my harsh tones about this belief because it is necessary to expose the danger of it. I also would say that if you are not catholic yet are dating a catholic then you are putting yourself in danger of being deceived about the truth also. You should not take lightly something like this, especially when you have not studied yourself but taken your catholic boyfriends word for it. I again give you the same challenge as anyone else, prove me wrong with Scriptures. Show me that from the catholic's own web sites and publications that they do not follow the things I have listed. Thanks again, in Christ, Adam

Subj: Re: a comment

Date: 10/7/01 8:28:44 AM Central Daylight Time

From: billvarmint@juno.com (Bond, April Bond)

To: ADB4JESUS@aol.com

"You should not take lightly something like this, especially when you have not studied yourself but taken your catholic boyfriends word for it."

I have not taken his word for it as you put it. In fact I have studied it on my own. I have learned much more in my own studies then by talking to him. On the issue of praying to the saints. Don't you ask your fellow Christian's for their prayers in time of trouble? That's what Catholics are doing when they pray to the saints. True it is not neccessary. I don't personally believe that the dead can hear our requests on earth but neither is it a practice which will prevent entrance into heaven if the perosn truly believes.

Subj: Re: a comment

Date: 10/7/01 5:42:34 PM Central Daylight Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: billvarmint@juno.com

Dear April,

First, I owe you an apology for assuming that your were getting information from your boyfriend instead of researching it yourself. I truly hope that you have indeed done research and only encourage you to do much more. You made a comment I wish to address;

"On the issue of praying to the saints. Don't you ask your fellow Christian's for their prayers in time of trouble? That's what Catholics are doing when they pray to the saints. True it is not necessary. I don't personally believe that the dead can hear our requests on earth but neither is it a practice which will prevent entrance into heaven if the person truly believes."

There is a vast difference between asking a "Living" fellow believer to pray for you as opposed to a "Dead" so called saint. We are instructed to not pray to the dead and it is a practice that was practiced by pagans in Bible times. Another thing about this "sainthood" of the catholic church is that the leadership of the catholic church are the ones that select these so called saints and it is based on their "good" deeds. The Bible clearly indicates that ALL and ANY believers and followers of Christ are to be considered saints. Therefore our "sainthood" is based on what Christ did not on what we could do. As you state that this is not something that should prevent them from going to heaven, well if that was the only questionable belief you could have an argument. The fact is that there are hundreds of doctrines and traditions that are not Biblical and therefore combining them it is clear that this is a false teaching and considered by many to be a cult. Once again all I can do is to profusely encourage you to study completely the doctrine that you are so readily defending. I also ask you once again to provide Scriptures to the contrary of what I have indicated. I also ask you once again to provide Scriptural support for the traditions that I mentioned in my page. Thanks again and look forward to hearing from you again, In Christ, Adam

Subj: NEED HELP

Date: 10/10/01 12:26:08 AM Central Daylight Time

From: JNeighbors189144

To: ADB4JESUS

MY HUSBAND, AND I NEED HELP WITH INFORMATION YOU CAN GIVE US ON THE CROWNS GIVING DURING THE GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT,TO THE CHRISTIAN, SUCH AS THE CROWN OF LIFE, THERE IS SEVEN. THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS YOUR MINISTRY, JUDY

Subj: Re: NEED HELP

Date: 10/11/01 9:57:19 AM Central Daylight Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: JNeighbors189144

Hello Judy,

Thank you for your question and I apologize for taking so long to get back to you. I have been working 12 hr. shifts the last couple of days and it limits my email time if you can imagine. I have researched your question and I cannot find a place where it indicates that we will receive " 7 crowns." I did find the following and hope that this will answer the question:

The only two places that I see that it actually indicates different types of crowns that the believer will receive are a crown of righteousness ( 2 Timothy 4:8) and a crown of life (James 1:12). There are other mentions of crowns but not in connection with the believer such as the following:

A crown of glory ( 1 Peter 5:4), Glory and Honor ( Psalm 8:5), Crown of Gold (Psalm 21:3)

There are also crowns that are metaphorical and not literal such as: A crown of pride (Isaiah 28:1), A woman a crown to her husband (Proverbs 12:4), Riches to the wise (Proverbs 14:24), Prudent crowned with knowledge (Proverbs 14:18.

Christ is also displayed with a Crown of Gold in Revelation 14:14, and Many Crowns in Revelation 19:12.

The only mention of Seven Crowns is not one that I believe you would want to associate with in Revelation 12:3 which was the Great Red Dragon.

I hope this helps and if you do find out of seven crowns that we are to receive please let me know.

Thank you very much for your question and hope to hear from you again. In Christ, Adam

Subj: family

Date: 10/17/01 5:44:09 PM Central Daylight Time

From: joannc@surrealnet.net (Joann Cole)

To: adb4jesus@aol.com

I would really like some scripture or strong advice on this matter. My husband has decided to return to the Penecostal Church with one child. I as his wife and our other 2 kids have remained mutual and still want to attend the same church we have been going to for 5 yrs. or find one that we all can go to together. I really feel like if the family can't come together and worship together, we will eventually be destoryed. I myself was raised Southern Baptist, but I am willing to find a church that would suit both our needs. We have been going to a denomination church for the last 5 years and had previous talked about trying some other churches. He waited till I was taking care of my elderly parents to go and try this church even though he knew I could not be apart of it. It has even gone as far as having my daughter and him to be deceiptful to me. My husband thinks his way is the only way. I really need some help here. I don't want to be another statistic in divorce. I am not asking him to go against what he believes in only go to another church with the whole family that we all can relate to.

Please help me! reply to joannc@surrealnet.net

Subj: Re: family

Date: 10/17/01 10:57:01 PM Central Daylight Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: joannc@surrealnet.net

Hello Joann,

Thank you so much for your question, and it is an important subject so I pray that the Holy Spirit will put the right words in print for you. Not knowing the complete situation and only going by what you have said above I will try to give you what I believe is a fair response. First I would like to say that I think it is great that you are both actively interested in the family's spiritual welfare by adamantly pursuing a place of worship. That is rare in this society and should be a real blessing, the trick is to get you both seeking the same thing. There are too many questions that are unanswered for me to give a definitive answer, such as; "if you were going to a place for 5 yrs, why do you feel the need to go somewhere else?" Also it seems to be that your husband went to a Pentecostal church before by your statement that "he decided to return to the Pentecostal church." I don't really need to know these things, but it does make it hard to answer objectively. As far as scripture concerning this matter it is clear in scripture that the man is to be the spiritual leader of the home and it is great that he desires to be that. In this society there are not many men that are being responsible in that position and therefore the women have had to take over that position. The best advice I feel I can give on this situation is for you to sit down as a family and each one express what they feel they expect out of 'church' and then why you feel the best place to get it is at the church you choose. I would preface this meeting with a "Family" prayer asking God to be the mediator of this meeting and to keep "pride" and contention away. I believe that as a family you can discuss this matter and it is important for each member to be heard but Biblically, you may not want to hear this but the final decision should be the husband's. If the husband is not performing his role as spiritual leader of the home then the wife generally makes the decisions and I believe that God honors that. If, however, the husband is performing his role then as a wife the best thing you can do is pray for him in the decisions he makes. The last thing God wants is for a home to be divided and that is why I think a family meeting to discuss this is the best approach. If indeed he did the things you listed above by taking advantage of the situation while you were busy with your elderly parents then that was not the proper thing for him to do. It is also not proper for him to be deceitful in anyway and especially with your daughter. It sets a bad example and it is not godly and even more so regarding a church situation. I would suggest that you ask your husband and your children to pray about this situation for 3 days and then have a meeting at the end of the 3 days and discuss it. God bless you and I hope this has helped you. In Christ, Adam

Subj: Marrying a Catholic

Date: 10/24/01 10:15:55 PM Central Daylight Time

From: lundin5@hutchtel.net (The Lundin's)

To: adb4jesus@aol.com

Dear Adam,

I have been doing some research on Catholic Beliefs and discovered your web page. I found it very interesting. My brother is engaged to a Catholic and he has talked about becoming a Catholic. I would like some advice on what I could do to change his mind. I found their beliefs to be very scary and don't want him to follow that path. I would greatly appreciate your advice.

Thank you.

Subj: Re: Marrying a Catholic

Date: 10/25/01 9:37:35 AM Central Daylight Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: lundin5@hutchtel.net

Hello,

You are very right to be concerned and you are also correct that their beliefs are very dangerous. I am sorry to hear that your brother is considering this move. It is great that you are concerned and want to do what you can to show him the truth and I will help as much as I can. Catholicism has recently (in the last 5-10 yrs) begun to try to lighten the criticism by openly encouraging Bible study. Unfortunately they have done this under the guise of supposedly opening up in this area. In reality they have already brainwashed their people and have instilled their doctrine to the point that the Bible study that is allowed is tainted to follow those traditions. It is really not any different from the Bible study that Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses have, it is slanted to accommodate their views. My advice would be determined on whether or not your brother is born again or not. If he is then I would suggest that you print out the pages I have on my site and show them to him encouraging him to find them incorrect according to the Bible. I would also stress to him the scripture that instructs us to "not be unequally yoked with unbelievers" 2 Corinthians 6:14.

If he is not born again then you cannot show him the truth until he is. There is also a book that I highly recommend called "When Catholics Die" by Richard Noll and you can get that book through Midnight Call at 1-800-845-2420 or at midnightcall.com. It is about $10 and it is well worth the cost and I would HIGHLY encourage you if you could get you brother to read this book. Richard Noll was a devout catholic for over 67yrs and has some great insights. I hope that this has helped you and keep me informed as to what happens with your brother if you would please. In Christ, Adam

Subj: real Catholic??

Date: 11/7/01 12:29:38 PM Central Standard Time

From: jlloz@ma.ultranet.com (Me)

To: adb4jesus@aol.com

I found your site today and quickly scanned through the first page and cannot tell if you are against Catholics????? I'd like to read the right things but this is confusing to me. The home page is beautiful and more to my liking, so what is it you are trying to say? Catholics are not the one true church?????? Hope you can answer my question and clear up my doubts. Jeanne

Subj: Re: real Catholic??

Date: 11/8/01 10:11:13 AM Central Standard Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: jlloz@ma.ultranet.com

Hello Jeanne,

Thank you for your questions and for looking at my site. I do want to clarify something right away, I am not "against" catholics, but I am totally against "catholic" doctrine and teaching. I can only encourage you to read all the material I have on my site about this topic. It is very clear why I take the stand I do and I pray it is also just as clear to anyone that reads it. Please let me know if you still have these same questions after you read all the material about the catholic doctrine in my site. In Christ, Adam

Subj: Hello!

Date: 11/18/01 8:55:08 PM Central Standard Time

From: Spirit2L1@msn.com (Endrea Brzezniak)

To: adb4jesus@aol.com

Hi, just wanted to let you know that I was born, raised and educated in Catholic schools, and as I got older, I started to note inconsistencies in Catholicism myself. Most of which stemmed from my experience with many different clergy from Felician Nuns to Priests! One of which is a Catholic priest in my own family! Needless to say, one realizes fast just how "human and fallible" these people are...contrary to the depth of the religious indoctrination one receives in school!

I see you did raise the hair on a few peoples necks that are Catholics! All I can tell you is that when a person is a Christian, and you discuss topics with another Christian, regarding "religion," people right away refer to the "born agains" feeling self-righteous! Boy did we have a few heated discussions at my place of work. It was never pointed at any one religion, but people who are born, raised and indoctrinated into Catholicism just do NOT understand that reading the bible yourself will open your eyes up. It is hard to convince any Catholic to do that.

I have to tell you though, that EVERY point you made regarding what Catholicism teaches, is TRUE regarding its accuracy. I always hated being "forced" in school to go to "confession" when I knew that the priest was doing things that were not acceptable...(He later got booted out from the priesthood when they found he had a female friend and 3 children!!!) I am not sorry that I was exposed all those years to schooling in Catholicism, as it gave me a sense of spirituality. As an adult though, I just did not feel that it meant my spiritual emptiness. So, I literally just dropped out and didn't do much of anything for many years...Until about 4 years ago when the Lord placed my now best friend and Christian in my life who led me to the Lord.

Anyways...I just wanted to support your efforts, because contrary to some of the email you had that was really condemning what you said regarding the Catholic belief system, I can tell you, it is ALL ACCURATE and TRUE!!! I spent most of my life under that belief system, so good job providing the light to others! I just never understood why we were never taught to read the bible on our own. Maybe then people would realize just how inaccurate and how conflicting Catholicism really is!

God Bless you...Keep up the good work! Sincerely, Endrea

Subj: Re: Hello!

Date: 11/20/01 6:42:17 PM Central Standard Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: Spirit2L1@msn.com

Hello Endrea,

Thank you so much for your kind words and the encouragement. It is nice to hear these kinds of emails instead of the constant attack by catholics that do not want to provide scriptural rebuttal. I am thankful that you did come out of catholicism and even more so that you are an active witness for Christ. God bless you and thank you again for your kind email and please stay in touch. In Christ, Adam

Subj: your website

Date: 11/20/01 9:56:43 AM Central Standard Time

From: piedmont@eohio.net (Denn!s Regling)

To: ADB4JESUS@AOL.COM

Love your website, but I must ask - who is the long-haired fella in the background? What a shame, for a man to have long hair..... hope it isn't a picture of you, unless, it's from before you got saved! Just wondering

Denn!s

Subj: Re: your website

Date: 11/20/01 7:05:50 PM Central Standard Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: piedmont@eohio.net

Hello Denn!s,

Thank you for your kind words and for sending the email. As for the fella in the background with the long hair, that would be Jesus. That is if you are talking about the background of my main page. If not I am not sure what you are referring to. Thanks again for your email. In Christ, Adam

Subj: Hello :) About your site .....

Date: 12/1/01 7:14:50 PM Central Standard Time

From: Vrdoost

To: ADB4JESUS

Hello ... I came across your site today. Indeed it gives a very comprehensive and a through defination on most of the religion, and is truly marvelous. I wanted to inform you that in the section of Islam where you wrote the six pillars of Islam is not accurate. Islam has only five pillars. There is no mention of Jihad or to spread Islam by force. The Islamic idea of jihad, which is derived from the Arabic root meaning "to strive" or "to make an effort," connotes a wide range of meanings, from an inward spiritual struggle to attain perfect faith to an outward material struggle to promote justice and the Islamic social system its not FORCE. The approaches to the modern reinterpretation of jihad may be discerned. It arose in the late nineteenth century in response to Western criticism that jihad meant "holy war" and that Islam was spread through force.While Qur'an and Prophetic traditions allow war only for self-defense against persecution and aggression The medieval theorists who had defined jihad as expansionist war were, simply misguided.Jihad in the modernist view is the Islamic equivalent of the Western idea of just war, a war fought to repel aggression with limited goals and by restricted means, WHICH is not the case AT ALL. The goal of jihad today ought not to be to coerce people to accept Islam, because the Qur'an clearly encourages freedom of worship (especially 2:256).

Thanks for your time, Sincerely

~*~T R U T H~*~

Subj: Re: Hello :) About your site .....

Date: 12/2/01 2:04:25 PM Central Standard Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: Vrdoost

Hello,

Thank you for your email and for your comments. From the things you wrote it is apparent that you are a sympathizer for the Muslim faith. However if you do some research you will find that indeed Islam is a violent faith and advocates violence on all those that do not believe. Historical records also attest to the violent crusades that the Muslim terrorists implemented during the early years of forceful proselytizing. I have a few questions for you if you intend on defending the Islam faith and want to convince any one of its peaceful intents.

1. How many times have the Israelis sent suicide bombers into Palestinian areas and kill not only themselves but innocent people?

2. Palestinians claim that they are under Israeli occupation, but how can that be a true statement when it was the Arabs that attacked Israel in 1967? You cannot claim to be in occupied territory when you were the aggressor and then lost the land in a pursuing war.

3. Palestinians constantly fire upon unarmed people and into homes and neighborhoods and upon the Israeli military.

4. Who is the aggressor?

Consider the following information that makes it perfectly clear what the Islam faith is all about and also the contradiction in their own Quran.

"Whoever is an enemy to Allah and His angels and messengers, to Gabriel and Michael,- Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith," (2:98, Trans. Yusuf Ali)

"Say: Obey Allah and the Messenger; but if they turn back, then surely Allah does not love the unbelievers," 3:32, Trans. Shakir).

1."Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure," (Surah 61:4).

2."Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress limits...191And slay them wherever ye catch them. and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for persecution is worse than slaughter; But fight them not at the sacred Mosque unless they (first) fight you there; But if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who reject faith. 192 But if they cease, Allah is oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. 193And fight them on until there is no more persecution. And the religion becomes Allah's. But if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression" (The Qur'an, Surah 2:190-193).

3."O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power over all things. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power over all things," (Surah 9:38-39).

4.See also Surah 4:74-76; 61:10-12.

What does the Hadith say about Jihad?

The Hadith are the recorded sayings and deeds of the Prophet Muhammad. It is second in authority only to the Qur'an and is often used to clarify things not specified in the Qur'an. What did Muhammad say about Jihad as recorded in the Hadith?

5."The Prophet said, "The person who participates in (Holy battles) in Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah and His Apostles, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise (if he is killed in the battle as a martyr). Had I not found it difficult for my followers, then I would not remain behind any sariya going for Jihad and I would have loved to be martyred in Allah's cause and then made alive, and then martyred and then made alive, and then again martyred in His cause."Volume 1, Book 2, Number 35, Narrated Abu Huraira

6."Allah's Apostle said, "A pious slave gets a double reward." Abu Huraira added: By Him in Whose Hands my soul is but for Jihad (i.e. holy battles), Hajj, and my duty to serve my mother, I would have loved to die as a slave. Volume 3, Book 46, Number 724: Narrated Abu Huraira

7."Allah's Apostle said, "Allah guarantees (the person who carries out Jihad in His Cause and nothing compelled him to go out but Jihad in His Cause and the belief in His Word) that He will either admit him into Paradise (Martyrdom) or return him with reward or booty he has earned to his residence from where he went out." Volume 9, Book 93, Number 555: Narrated Abu Huraira.

Obviously Muhammad taught that Holy War was an acceptable and good thing to do. He even stated that if a Muslim were to die in battle, fighting for the cause of Allah, that he would be guaranteed to go to Paradise.

Contradictions in the Qur'an

The Qur'an states that it is a perfect book preserved on tablets in heaven (Surah 85:21-22). If the Qur'an is a perfect book from Allah, then there shouldn't be any contradictions in it. Of course, the Muslims will deny any contradictions exist in the Qur'an, but they do. Some of the contradictions below could be debated, but some of them are clearly contradictions. A contradiction occurs when one statement on a subject excludes the possibility of another. The first one here is a good example. In Surah 19:67, it states that man was created out of nothing. In 15:26, man is created from clay. Since clay is something, we have a contradiction since "nothing" excludes the possibility of "clay." Both cannot be true.

All quotes from the Qur'an, unless otherwise specified, are from Yusuf Ali and can be found at the Qur'an online.

1. What was man created from, blood, clay, dust, or nothing?

A."Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood," (96:2).

B."We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26).

C."The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was," (3:59).

D."But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?" (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).

E."He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4).

2.Is there or is there not compulsion in religion according to the Qur'an?

A."Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things," (2:256).

B."And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith," (9:3).

C."But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful," (9:5).

D.Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued," (9:29).

3.The first Muslim was Muhammad? Abraham? Jacob? Moses?

A."And I [Muhammad] am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah in Islam," (39:12).

B."When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord addressed him, He said: "O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon thee." Allah said: "By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me." When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said: "Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe." (7:143).

C."And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam," (2:132).

4.Does Allah forgive or not forgive those who worship false gods?

A.Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed," (4:48). Also 4:116

B.The people of the Book ask thee to cause a book to descend to them from heaven: Indeed they asked Moses for an even greater (miracle), for they said: "Show us Allah in public," but they were dazed for their presumption, with thunder and lightning. Yet they worshipped the calf even after clear signs had come to them; even so we forgave them; and gave Moses manifest proofs of authority," (4:153).

5.Are Allah's decrees changed or not?

A."Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers," (6:34).

B."The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all, (6:115).

C.None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?" (2:106).

D.When We substitute one revelation for another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not," (16:101).

6.Was Pharaoh killed or not killed by drowning?

A."We took the Children of Israel across the sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: "I believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islam). (It was said to him): "Ah now!- But a little while before, wast thou in rebellion!- and thou didst mischief (and violence)! This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!" (10:90-92).

B.Moses said, "Thou knowest well that these things have been sent down by none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth as eye-opening evidence: and I consider thee indeed, O Pharaoh, to be one doomed to destruction!" So he resolved to remove them from the face of the earth: but We did drown him and all who were with him," (17:102-103).

7.Is wine consumption good or bad?

A.O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper," (5:90).

B.(Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?" (47:15).

C.Truly the Righteous will be in Bliss: On Thrones (of Dignity) will they command a sight (of all things): Thou wilt recognize in their faces the beaming brightness of Bliss. Their thirst will be slaked with Pure Wine sealed," (83:22-25).

This list was compiled from resources found on the web at Answering Islam, a List of problems in the Quran. and Errors in the Qur'an as well as my own research.

Interesting quotes from the Qur'an

The Qur'an is the sacred book of Islam. It is supposed to be a perfect book, inspired, and flawless. Would you expect the following quotes from an inspired and flawless book?

All quotes from the Qur'an, unless otherwise specified, are from Yusuf Ali and can be found at the Qur'an online.

 1.It is not good to enter a house from the back

A."They ask thee concerning the New Moons. Say: They are but signs to mark fixed periods of time in (the affairs of) men, and for Pilgrimage. It is no virtue if ye enter your houses from the back: It is virtue if ye fear Allah. Enter houses through the proper doors: And fear Allah: That ye may prosper," (2:189).

2.Cities (Sodom and Gomorrah) are turned upside down - literally!

A."(The Messengers) said: "O Lut! We are Messengers from thy Lord! By no means shall they reach thee! now travel with thy family while yet a part of the night remains, and let not any of you look back: but thy wife (will remain behind): To her will happen what happens to the people. Morning is their time appointed: Is not the morning nigh?...When Our Decree issued, We turned (the cities) upside down, and rained down on them brimstones hard as baked clay, spread, layer on layer," (11:81-82)

B."And We turned (the cities) upside down, and rained down on them brimstones hard as baked clay," (15:74).

3.A boy and his dog sleep for 309 years in a cave.

A."Such (being their state), we raised them up (from sleep), that they might question each other. Said one of them, "How long have ye stayed (here)?" They said, "We have stayed (perhaps) a day, or part of a day." (At length) they (all) said, "Allah (alone) knows best how long ye have stayed here...So they stayed in their Cave three hundred years, and (some) add nine (more)," (18:19,25).

4.The sun set in a pool of murky water

A."Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness." (18:86, Yusuf Ali, translation).

5.Jesus spoke while in the cradle

A." But she pointed to the babe. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?" 30He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet," (19:29-30).

6.King Solomon learned the speech of birds

A."And Solomon was David's heir. He said: "O ye people! We have been taught the speech of birds, and on us has been bestowed (a little) of all things: this is indeed Grace manifest (from Allah.)" (27:16).

B."And Solomon was David's heir. And he said: O mankind! Lo! we have been taught the language of birds, and have been given (abundance) of all things. This surely is evident favour," (27:16, Pickthall, trans.).

7.Ants can speak

A."At length, when they came to a (lowly) valley of ants, one of the ants said: "O ye ants, get into your habitations, lest Solomon and his hosts crush you (under foot) without knowing it," (27:18).

B."Till, when they reached the Valley of the Ants, an ant exclaimed: O ants! Enter your dwellings lest Solomon and his armies crush you, unperceiving," (27:18, Pickthal, trans.).

8.Allah made seven heavens and seven earths

A."Allah is He Who created seven Firmaments and of the earth a similar number. Through the midst of them (all) descends His Command: that ye may know that Allah has power over all things, and that Allah comprehends, all things in (His) Knowledge," (65:12)

9.Shooting stars are for driving away evil spirits

A.And we have, (from of old), adorned the lowest heaven with Lamps, and We have made such (Lamps) (as) missiles to drive away the Evil Ones, and have prepared for them the Penalty of the Blazing Fire, (67:5).

10.The soul exits through the collar-bone when leaving the body.

A."Yea, when (the soul) reaches to the collar-bone (in its exit), 27And there will be a cry, "Who is a magician (to restore him)?" 28And he will conclude that it was (the Time) of Parting,: (75:26-28).

 This is only a sample of the controversies and inconsistencies with the Islam faith. If you need more please let me know I would be happy to provide it. I have also heard from Muslims that I have spoken with personally that these are not true statements, because they are not taken from the original Arabic. My answer to that is this; Do you mean to tell me that Osama Bin Laden does not understand the Arabic? What about all of those suicide bombers that have killed so many along with themselves? Do you mean to tell the world that they have also misinterpreted the original Arabic? Thanks again for your email and hope to hear from you again. In Christ, Adam

 Subj: Catholic Girlfriend

Date: 12/10/01 2:02:23 PM Central Standard Time

From: jmlone01@athena.louisville.edu (Jason Lone)

To: adb4jesus@aol.com

First, I like your webpage and will recommend it to others. I come from a baptist home and frequent a southern baptist church. I also have been dating a catholic girl for about 8 years (I know, I'm trying to get out of college before I have any other large priorities). At first it didn't bother me because my mother was a catholic before marrying my father and most of her family is also catholic, so I had no problem dating a catholic. We have discussed this religion difference several times and concerns of children. I have read your catholic beliefs page and have similiar opinions about the individuals and the churches belief. I do believe she is a believer and is saved, John 3:16, however, I do not like the catholic beliefs such as mass, holy day of obligation, confession, baptism and confirmation. They seem to ceremonial and inpersonal to me. Our last discussion involved the baptism. I am not sure what the catholic baptism was for. I explained to her, if anything, to me the catholic baptism was like a baby dedication to the church and was oriented toward the duty of the parents rather than the soul of the child. She explained, or thought that it was for God to watch over this child until the child is old enough to understand and be confirmed. And again I suggested that it was the parents duty to pray for the child, not get them baptized. This led to the discussion of what happens when a baby dies before he/she has had the chance to understand a make a decision for itself.... and so on. I couldn't answer that. I guess you could say I am not a very strong practicing believer and am unable to make a strong case for my beliefs. That is why I researched your pages. I saw were you recommended the book, "when a catholic dies". Do you have any other recommendations. Sorry about the length. Hope you don't mind, I may be asking some more questions.

Thanks Jason

Subj: Re: Catholic Girlfriend

Date: 12/10/01 8:44:16 PM Central Standard Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: jmlone01@athena.louisville.edu

Hello Jason,

Thank you so much for your kind comments and for sharing your situation with me. I pray that I can give you an answer that will provide some help in making some decisions. First, it is a proclamation of your dedication to your education and to your girlfriend in what you are doing. It is a delicate situation you are in and especially with the commitment of time that you have invested. I have been very impressed with the book that I recommend by Richard Noll. He was a devout catholic for over 60 years, so what he says is not without great experience to back it up. I would also encourage you to look at the section of emails by another devout catholic that was sent to me which I put on the catholic page. (http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/adb4jesus/EmailsfromRichard.htm) These emails contained many scriptures that catholics say back their views. I went through each scripture and showed the gross mis-interpretation in their use of them. I believe it is very important for your girlfriend to prove her belief to herself. She will obviously hear the catholic side of the belief from the priests, but she needs to see the evidence and then make an objective decision based on all the facts. She will not get all the facts from the priests. It sounds like you two have a pretty open relationship as far as dialogue about your differences. That is important and it is also important to not alienate her but at the same time it is vital to reveal all the facts to her. Of course I could not go without encouraging you to make time yourself to get into the Word and prayer time yourself. It is so important for you to get your spiritual condition back where it needs to be also. You stated that you believe that she is saved and you would know that more than I would. I would ask some questions though to make it clear that she does understand the concept of Biblical salvation. There are several questions that could be asked to clarify this: What does it take to be saved? How are you saved? Can good deeds or works save you? Does a church save you?

As for the topic about baptism, Romans 6: 1-14 makes it clear that baptism is the symbolism of Christ dying for us and our dying to our flesh and it's desires and raising to a new life serving Him. It is also clear that to understand this concept is needed to properly relate to the symbolism it represents. It is also clear that if you need to be understand this relation that a baby would not be a candidate. A decision to accept Christ and accept His forgiveness and payment for our sins requires an understanding of what you are doing. A baby or child is not able to comprehend this, therefore it is not logical to think that they could possibly be held accountable for this action. I think the more important things to concentrate on are the vast differences in the catholic belief and the Bible.

Thanks so much again for your email and I pray that this has been helpful to you in your situation. God bless you, Adam

Subj: Your page

Date: 12/12/01 1:10:07 AM Central Standard Time

From: betzy30@hotmail.com (Sarah Betzold)

To: ADB4JESUS@aol.com

Catholics and Scripture

#10 1. The use of images is forbidden (no exceptions given), Ex. 20:4, Isa. 42:8.

2. In the same scripture (Ex. 20:4) it clearly states "no graven images".

I don't suppose you have a picture of Jesus, a nativity set, or approve of the Lincoln Memorial? Remember no exceptions given!!

Bye Sarah

Subj: Re: Your page

Date: 12/12/01 4:54:54 PM Central Standard Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: betzy30@hotmail.com

Hello Sara,

Thanks for taking time to write me and for looking at my site. Thanks also for the question also. As for an answer, if those things become exonerated or worshipped then NO there is not place for them in my life. There is a vast difference in what you suggest and the fact that the catholic heirachy have inducted thousands upon thousands of so-called "saints" that are expected to be prayed to. For example; did you know that there is a "Saint" for Haemorrhoid sufferers? What about Button makers, Cab drivers, Cake makers, Charcoal-burners, Dog bites, Geese, Hernia sufferers, Insanity, Leaping, Mentally ill , Possession (by the Devil), Rabies, (this is one of my favorites) Theft, thieves, (This has to be my all-time favorite though, how would you like to be the Saint of VD?) Veneral disease? You don't have to take my word for it look at your own site and see for yourself: http://saints.catholic.org/patron.html

The above shows the extreme absurdity of the catholic leadership and how that anything can be introduced as acceptable when you take away the authority of the Bible. By saying that "Tradition" and the teachings of the Pope are equal in authority with the Holy Scriptures is not only "Heresy" but it opens the door for the completely ludicrous things you see mentioned above. Show me ONE scripture that confirms not only the above saints but especially the directive to pray to them! The catholic leadership has so effectively blinded it followers from its start that the truth is obscure and hidden. The truth can be seen by ANY catholic that can for once in their life put down the doctrine and teaching of the catholic church and look at what the Bible says. Any catholic should be able to read Matthew chapter 23 without catholic indoctrination and see a perfect replica of Christ speaking to the catholic church itself. The issue above with the saints would be less important if it were not for the countless other heresies that the catholic church issue without Biblical support. Please don't just pick out one verse and come back to me trying to vindicate the catholic belief when you have left the massive amount of contradictions and heresies. Go through the points on my page and come back to me with the scriptures that I ask for to prove my accusations wrong about this belief! Thanks again for your attempt. Sincerely in Christ, Adam

Subj: RE: Catholic Girlfriend

Date: 12/11/01 3:17:44 PM Central Standard Time

From: jmlone01@athena.louisville.edu (Jason Lone)

To: ADB4JESUS@aol.com

Thanks for the response. I am glad to see someone actully takes the time to read and respond to strangers. I have extensivly searched your site and had previously read the responses from Richard (the devout catholic) and sent him an email requesting an general discussion, but have failed to hear anything. Also, during my search I stumbled upon another site that you may like. It shows a side by side comparison along with rules and laws made by priests and popes (dogmas). Check it out! http://www.xlministries.org/resources/apologetics/roman/roman.html

I wonder if you could confirm my understanding of a few things I have found on what catholics believe.

Immaculate conception - that Mary became pure at moment of conception

Baptism - a symbolism of the immaculate conception.

Confirmation - child has reached maturity level to make own decision

(although usually done as entire class)

Purgatory - place to clense all confessed sins

Mass - some believe bread and wine become actual body of christ

I'm not sure about the Mass. My girlfriend says it is just as symbolic as baptist communion (last supper) remeberance ceremony. And that lent and holy days of obligation or acts of obedience and rememberance. I don't know, maybe she needs to research what her own religion believes. It seems to me that if these are true acts of obedience that Catholics would be happy to show their appreciation, but most catholics I know grudgingly follow them.

Back to the baptism subject. How can I explain what happens to baptist babies when they die before they have had the chance to commit to the Lord? I know this is a minor point, but this seems to give me the most trouble.

Thanks for all your help and information

Jason

Subj: Re: Catholic Girlfriend

Date: 12/12/01 6:40:50 PM Central Standard Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: jmlone01@athena.louisville.edu

Hello Jason,

Thanks again for your questions and for the kind words. That is the purpose of my site to invite questions and encourage Godly living and study. I also want to thank you for the site that you sent, I did check it out and it is very good and gives some very good information. I would highly recommend printing out that page and giving it to your girlfriend. I would not encourage you to try to converse with Richard, he is very rigid and will not be open to any discussion other than trying to persuade you of your error. The process you are ensuing is the best approach, to find apologetic sites that offer Biblical evidence against the catholic doctrine.

As for your questions about the following topics:

Immaculate conception - Yes, they believe that Mary was without sin and even go as far as to say that she ascended to heaven and did not die physically. You can find the answers to these topics on the on-line version of the catholic encyclopedia and here is the address for the topic of the "immaculate conception" http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07674d.htm

You will also find it interesting that in this section under Biblical Proof you will see that they admit that there is no scripture for this belief. Here is the quote from this page: "No direct or categorical and stringent proof of the dogma can be brought forward from Scripture."

Baptism/Confirmation - Yes they do believe that this is the event that bestows the Holy Spirit upon the person even though scripture says that we receive the spirit upon believing. Confirmation is the ritual they perform with children usually 12-13 yrs old and it is derived from the "bar-mitzvah" the Jewish males go through. The vast difference is that according to the catholic version of this act, it separates the destination of this child. They believe that the sprinkling as a baby saves the child until this event, then after they reach this age they need the Confirmation. So apparently the sprinkling as a baby was only "temporary" salvation for this child?

Purgatory - One of the more UN-biblical doctrines introduced by the catholic leadership to create a dependence upon the catholic church for their salvation. They can pay to have their loved ones or friends prayed out of this place into heaven. Imagine that, live life however you please and then if your family has enough money you can be bought into the Kingdom. Sure is contradictory to what Jesus said to the rich man that approached him!

Mass - Yes, this is one of the most blatant and most heretical and blasphemous acts the catholic church instituted. To insinuate that Christ's sacrifice was not good enough the first time and that each time communion is presented His blood and flesh is required again is totally unbiblical and a slap in the face of Jesus' death. I would have to say that this is one of the heresies that anger me the most in this belief. It is called "trans-substantiation" and it extreme heresy.

For the subject of infants dying and where they go: This is one topic that is not clearly defined in the scriptures so it is hard to give scriptural support. The one scripture that does deal with it in my opinion is 2 Samuel 12: 15-23. In this section David loses the baby that was conceived by Bathsheba in their affair. David is fasting and praying and when the baby dies he cleans himself and eats. His advisors do not understand it and he explains that the child is with God now and cannot come back. I believe that children that die at young ages go to be with the Lord because they could not have intelligibly understood the plan of salvation and accepted the conditions. The Bible says that all that "call" upon the Lord shall be saved. Obviously children of toddler stages cannot do this and do not understand it. God is just and it is clear that He will judge in that same Just manor. We cannot put an age on when a child does understand because all children are different and have different levels of understanding. God knows that and He will be the one that separates the "goats for the sheep." It is not our job to decide who understands or has made that decision. We do however judge them by their fruits. We can also judge any doctrine outside of the Gospel. I believe that all babies that are victims of abortion and any toddler that dies goes to be with the Lord. To me this is not a doctrinal issue that affects salvation so it is minor. The issue of someone following catholicism however is a matter of salvation. I still recommend for you to get your girlfriend to look at all this evidence and then make a decision.

God bless you and keep up the search and get back in the Word and Prayer. God can open doors for you that no one else can.

Adam

Subj: Re: Your page

Date: 12/12/01 11:39:51 PM Central Standard Time

From: betzy30@hotmail.com (Sarah Betzold)

To: ADB4JESUS@aol.com

Okay...

1. It's Sarah, not Sara :)

2. You only briefly answered my question by qualifying the Bible, then went off on saints (?) not to mention the Catholic Church but I don't know quite why that was necessary.

What do you define as worship?

"As for an answer, if those things become exonerated or worshipped then NO there is not place for them in my life."

You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;

I don't think it mean IF you worship them, but don't have them AND don't worship them. Why can you go above the Scriptures?

I would like to know what church do you go to or what are your beliefs? Also do you dislike every denomination that doesn't agree with what you think?

As far as proving you wrong I don't think we would ever agree, so it isn't worth the effort if you aren't open to what I have to say. And since one verse doesn't matter, two won't nor three...etc.

Thank you so much though for e-mailing me your opinion. Most don't e-mail me back at all. Thanks again!!

Bye Sarah

Jesus being of heaven and earth...I ask you why you draw the line between images and not

Subj: Re: Your page

Date: 12/13/01 8:33:24 AM Central Standard Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: betzy30@hotmail.com

Hello Sarah,

Thanks once again for your email and your comments. As to your accusation that I only briefly touched on your original question I apologize that you see it that way. It was important to bring out the issue about the saints to try to get you to see the vast difference, but you failed to see it. As far as worshipping idols or graven images, I still think you have missed the scriptural inference. In the Book of Exodus and Leviticus for that matter God addressed many areas of pagan worship. The reason was that they were going to be entering these areas that would be saturated with idols and images. What was being referred to in the heavens was the stars and the gods that were created by the pagans using astrology. There were also mythical gods after the planets and even gods that represented things of nature. All of these pagan gods were representations of the things they invented and some things that were carved from stone and wood to look as they envisioned them. Not to mention the fact that they just left Egypt where they had over 500 gods of various sorts in which God directed the 10 plagues at the ten most powerful Egyptian gods. The Golden Calf in Exodus chapter 32 is a good example of the gods that they had remembered from being in Egypt for over 400 years. This was the reason for the great emphasis on not making "other" gods to go before them. Yes, it does also apply to us today and as I mentioned before if a picture of Jesus or a cross ever become an item of worship or exoneration then it is wrong. The key difference is what these items represent as compared to the idols and images in the Old Testament. First, there are not accurate pictures of Jesus, no one knows what He looked like. Second, the cross is not an idol unless it is made to be one. The cross to me is a reminder and representation of what Christ did and the price that was paid for my redemption. That cannot be said of the other idols and images that were being referred to in the Old Testament. There is a vast difference in having a cross and making statues of Mary, the pope, saints, and other figures and then praying to these statues. I never pray to a cross nor do I ever see it as a means or representation of God itself. It is nothing more than a representation of what was used to bring about salvation's price. Catholics pray to Mary, Saints, and exonerate the pope and in that they become idols to them. That is the major difference. If I never seen another cross or picture of Jesus it would not bother me one bit because my faith is not in those things. Take a crucifix or statue of Mary away from a catholic and you might as well commit them. We can make anything on this earth an idol or image if we choose to and I think that God knows that too. You really need to research the vastness of the idols and images that were used in the Old Testament days to really understand this better.

Your question on what church I go to and if I dislike all denominations that do not believe the way I do:

I go to an independent church and I do not agree with ANY Denomination. Not because I think that they don't agree with me, but because they don't agree with the Bible. EVERY denomination is Man-Made and they are not what God intended for HIS Church. They have done nothing but build up walls between the body and the majority of them are too soft and don't present the truth. Every person has their own way of believing and it is not a matter of making everyone believe as I do. IF what they believe can be backed up with scripture then I am in no place to disagree with them.

Your next statement about proving me wrong and your insinuation that I would not be open to scripture: You are wrong, but I have yet to have ONE catholic send me valid scriptures that supported the catholic doctrine. Look at the emails from Richard, he was obviously a devout and intelligent man. Every scripture he provided was in no way proof of what was being addressed. I make the same challenge to ANYONE even you. Show me in the SCRIPTURES where the accusations I make on my page are inaccurate. Show me in the scriptures all the things that I ask for in the catholic pages. Praying to saints, Praying to Mary, the pope being infallible, the immaculate conception of Mary, Mary's assumption into heaven, the rosary, confession, penitence, purgatory, priests remaining unmarried, nuns, tradition on equal level with scriptures, introducing traditions that are contrary to scriptures, kissing the pope's ring, praying to statues, and many more. Show me the proofs of these things in the scriptures and I will become a catholic. That is how confident that they are not in there.

I think you are the one that has not been open minded and look at the scriptures through blinders. You seem to be fairly intelligent Sarah, search the scriptures yourself and see if they don't all point to JESUS, not MARY, not the pope, not saints, not purgatory, it is all about JESUS. Show me just ONE place where the Bible says to pray to Mary or saints, and I will show you many that direct us to JESUS.

Thanks again for your email, in Christ, Adam

Subj: Re: Your page

Date: 12/13/01 12:40:43 PM Central Standard Time

From: betzy30@hotmail.com (Sarah Betzold)

To: ADB4JESUS@aol.com

Read John 6:22-71 (even if you've read it before) and think about it and then read it again...It (to some extent) explains why I am Catholic. Now it seems to me that you assume I have no idea what the Catholic Church is like or that I am "blinded" by all their teachings. I want you to know that is not so. I wasn't raised in a way that molded me into being a Catholic. I know about the past and I know why you say the things you do, but I don't think you relize the way it really is (does that make any sense?)

You keep hammering home this idea that we worship saints, and that praying to them is wrong...but those are problems that I don't see--meaning we don't worship the saints. Furthermore, in your explination of what the Second Commandment meant; none of the saints take the place of God, NONE. I know you have seen Catholic sites, and I want to know how much about the theology you've studied and understand (communion of saints, definition of saints, etc.). The way I look at it, nothing they teach is contrary to the Bible although it might not be explictly stated. Also you said that if the Crucifix were to be worshiped that would be wrong as well. A short analogy...a young man leaves his sweetheart and goes off to war taking one small picture with him. Every day and every spare minute he looks at the picture and kisses it...so is he worshiping the picture? Or is he just remembering what the picture represents? If I were to kiss the Crucifix on my necklace, would I be expressing love for God and Jesus or love for the metal man on the metal cross? Would you consider that worship?

If you ask me (which you didn't but I am going to tell you anyway ;) ) I think the definition of worship has been altered over time, or at least is isn't quite the same as the Greek or Old Testament meaning. I think in order for us to get anywhere we have to be on the same plane. Tell me what you think it is...

As far as refuting all your points with Scripture, let's just test my hypothesis:

Purgatory Hebrews 12:5-12 Matthew 18:34-35 Revelation 21:27 22:3-5 1 Peter 3:18-20 2 Timothy 1:16 & 18

These are just to point out that God does punish us temporarily, we need to be pure to be in God's presence (purification), and that prayers were said for those who died (why pray if they are already going to heaven or hell?)

Now you will do one of two things:

1)Read them and write me back telling me how it's the wrong interpretation, that's not what was meant, the word "Purgatory" was never used...

2)Tell me that these Scriptures aren't as truthful as the ones you have against it, or they aren't as important, or you have more so you will neglect that the Scriptures do (implicitly) talk of a place/state/process similar to the idea of Purgatory. (Like you said no Catholic has ever sent you VALID Scripture...aren't all Scripture valid?)

I ask that you do neither. I don't give these to you for myself, but for you because you asked for some. I don't need to hear why they are wrong, I've had many do that. So you reflect on them, tell me you don't buy it...but don't argue with me against it. That is why I dislike conversation like that...it becomes an arguement, not a discussion.

Also you wanted anyone to prove that the accusations on your page were wrong...well your Scripture is correct, but your veiw of the Church and its teachings are wrong. You prove that worshiping idols is wrong, but we don't worship idols. So in that sense your page is wrong.

I agree that all Scripture points to Jesus, but I fail to see how going through Mary, the saints...or why Purgatory and the Pope take away from seeking Jesus. I think they support it, from what I've seen (what experience do you have with the Catholic Church?).

I appreciate your thoughful comments and the fact you take the time to write me. I have one last question...why don't you look into the answers yourself, instead of challenging others to disprove you? I was on a debate team and I discovered that in order to fully understand your position you must understand your opponent's position. Anyway I look forward to hearing from you again...

Bye Sarah

Subj: Re: Your page

Date: 12/14/01 9:46:14 AM Central Standard Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: betzy30@hotmail.com

Hello Sarah,

Thanks again for your comments and questions. I have read John 6:22-71 and I still find no place in this scripture where it solidifies the fact that the communion that we participate in are to be actual flesh and blood. In fact in verse 63 Jesus clarifies that it is a spiritual application he is presenting. In 1Corinthians 10: 24-25 it is clear that it is a representation not actual flesh and blood; "this do in remembrance of me"

According to the Revell Bible Dictionary the definition of "Worship" is as follows:

That attitude and those corporate and personal acts of reverence that are the appropriate response of human beings to God's self-revelation. Prayer, songs, and devotions directed to God.

You are correct when you state that the definition and meaning of worship has been altered and the things I have pointed out in the catholic doctrine are prime examples of exactly that.

The scriptures you listed as proof of purgatory are not only out of context but don't even apply to what the subject of purgatory represents. I have asked you to look at the page of emails by Richard and they cover all the scriptures you have listed and many more. Please look at them and the response I made to Richard regarding them. http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/adb4jesus/EmailsfromRichard.htm

You are right that I will write back and tell you how those scriptures do not mean what you try to indicate they do. The reason for that is because not only do I want you to see the truth, but others that may look at this page. You can refer to it as arguing if you like but it is what is called apologetics and there is never room for true believers to allow Biblical errors to go uncontended. I cannot and will not let these gross mis-uses of scripture go without proclaiming the truth. I believe that is exactly what Jesus was doing with the Pharisees and Jewish leaders throughout His ministry. You stated above that John 6: 22-71 is why you are catholic, well Matthew 23 is why I am not.

You asked what experience I have with the catholic church: My mother was raised a catholic and I have had extensive discussions with several priests and other catholics. I have also studied much catholic material to be sure that what I was saying was accurate. I have missals, books on confirmation, catholic bible, and have researched the catholic's own web pages to make sure that my accusations are valid. I don't have to become a demon to know that they are not godly. We are told by Jesus to judge the fruit and that is exactly what I have done not only with catholics but several other religions. If you check out my page you will see that you are not singled out.

As far as your last statement about looking for the answers myself instead of challenging others to disprove me: I do that for a reason, I have studied myself and have researched what I have put on my page. I challenge others to disprove it because I know that the only way they can actually do that is by getting into the Word and by doing so will see the errors themselves. It is the same method Jesus used, He did not condemn them, He just caused them to search out themselves and they condemned themselves by what they found. I have no questions about what I believe or why I believe it. I have not been on a debate team so you are one up on me there. I have spent a lot of time in study over the past 11 years and nothing I say on the page is for my own edification. I get nothing out of the catholic page or any of the other pages. Do you think that I get calls from Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses, or even catholics wanting to support my ministry? In fact this ministry is totally independent from any church for just that reason. NO church I know of has the guts to say the things I do and put it in a public forum. I do not desire to debate with you I only want you to see the truth and if you are convinced beyond any doubt that your belief is correct then we have nothing to discuss. I only want to discuss these issues with people that are really looking for answers and the truth. Not that I have all truth because I don't, but I do know without a doubt that ALL truth is in the Word. I do know the Word well enough to direct people to it in that respect. I appreciate you comments and your willingness to discuss/debate this with me but that will not accomplish anything unless you truly search the scriptures yourself. Please read the section I recommended on the emails with Richard. In Christ, Adam

Subj: Re: Your page

Date: 12/14/01 11:08:51 AM Central Standard Time

From: betzy30@hotmail.com (Sarah Betzold)

To: ADB4JESUS@aol.com

I am in search of the truth and I think it is found in the Catholic Church. I do believe that the Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Jesus, and because of that belief alone I would never go to another denomination, even if the other things are wrong.

I had a discussion with some of my friends (not that any of us are Biblical scholars) but we found out what the problem is with these topics. So I have a question to ask you. If the Bible doesn't directly state something, is it better to not believe it or believe it?

Worship (in my own mind) has to do with sacrifice. People were not to eat the animals sacrificed to other gods, and God even required sacrifices. Those to me symbolize true worship. Prayer seems more like communication, which you can worship through, but the act itself is not worship. Back to sacrifices, every time we celebrate the Eucharist it is a re-presentation of that sacrifice of Jesus to God. Because we only give this sacrifice to God we only worship God. The prayers are not becasue the saints can save us or use powers or whatever, but because they are in heaven constanly praying, they can pray for us even when we have stopped praying. I don't think in any other Christian Church (besides Greek Orthodox) that still offers sacrifices to God. It just seems logical to me.

Thank you for your time!

Bye Sarah

Subj: Re: Your page

Date: 12/14/01 12:30:38 PM Central Standard Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: betzy30@hotmail.com

Hello Sarah,

I am glad to hear that you are in search of the truth and I struggle to show you the gravity of your comments. It is so hard to try to discuss these issues with you when you are looking at them through the blinders of the catholic doctrine. You state: "I do believe that the Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Jesus, and because of that belief alone I would never go to another denomination, even if the other things are wrong."

Sarah, that in itself is a very dangerous statement because you are saying that because there may be one truth (which I am most definitely not saying the catholic doctrine of the eucharist is true at all) in a belief system that no other errors are important. Think about that statement a minute and realize how dangerous that is. That reminds me of a conversation I had with a catholic some years back that was 17 years old. I showed him some things in the Bible which were clearly contradictive to what the catholic doctrine says and asked him this question: "If the Bible says one thing and a priest says something to the contrary are you going to believe the Bible or the priest?" I am sure you know which answer he gave, he said that he would follow the priest. This is exactly the types of things that are beyond my comprehension, how that a person can see for themselves that truth in the Bible and then still decide to follow the contrary. This is easy to understand when your belief system does not hold the Bible to be the absolute truth and authority. That is what I am trying to show you with the catholic church. They have instituted traditions that are contrary to the Bible and the people blindly follow and agree without thinking on their own.

As far as your question: "If the Bible doesn't directly state something, is it better to not believe it or believe it?"

If the Bible does not directly state something then you must find other examples in scripture that would verify a belief. If there are not other scriptures either through lessons of experience by someone else or direct implications to the subject to solidify the topic then it must be placed as opinion or theory.

Your statement: "every time we celebrate the Eucharist it is a re-presentation of that sacrifice of Jesus to God."

That is not a correct statement according to what the catholic church states regarding the eucharist. It is not a "re-presentation" it is an actual "re-inactment" and that is totally unbiblical. I have covered that also on my page as to why it is unbiblical and the scriptures that support my point. I have copied point #8 from my page as supporting this statement:

8. Catholics teach that the bread and the fruit of the vine become the real body and blood of Christ at the consecration of the mass ( adopted in 1215, Council of Lateran). They also teach that the fruit of the vine is only to be taken by the priests, ( Introduced in the Council of Constance 1414). They say that the mass is the same sacrifice as that on the cross, only "unbloody".

THE BIBLE SAYS:

1. Christ was materially present "outside" of the bread and the fruit of the vine when He said, "This is my body," and "This is my blood", Matt. 26:26-28.

2. When Jesus said He was a vine (John 15:1) and a door (John 10:9), He did not become a literal vine or door.

3. The Lord's Supper commemorates a "FINISHED" sacrifice, Luke 22:19.

4. Repeating of Christ's sacrifice is strictly forbidden, Hebrews 6:6, 9:25-26, 10:11-12.

5. The Lord's Supper is not a sacrifice, but a remembrance, 1Cor. 11:26.

6. The bread and the fruit of the vine are to be given to all Christians, Matt. 26:27, Mark 14:23, 1Cor. 11:28.

7. A bloody sacrifice is the only one acceptable, Heb. 10:10, and only one sacrifice of Christ, Heb. 10:12.

If this is indeed the case as you state that the church has always believed this way then can you explain why this particular doctrine was not introduced until 1215 at the Council of Lateran? Can you also explain why over 200 years later at the Council of Constance 1414 the priests decided that only they could partake of the wine? If you research your own faith you will find it very interesting that most of these issues were not introduced for over 1000 years after the time of Jesus.

You also make a statement: "The prayers are not because the saints can save us or use powers or whatever, but because they are in heaven constanly praying, they can pray for us even when we have stopped praying."

Can you show scripture that backs up this statement? I know of only the scripture that speaks of the Holy Spirit interceding for us Romans 8:26. I know that we pray for each other on this earth but there are absolutely no scriptures that support the idea of a deceased loved one or anyone for that matter praying for us. Please show me if I am mistaken.

There is great danger in the statement you made that regardless of any other error because you believe what you think is ONE truth, you will disregard all other errors. That statement in itself proves that you are not willing to take an objective look at your beliefs and what support you have for them.

In Christ, Adam

Subj: I'm really bless to see your article

Date: 12/14/01 9:28:50 PM Central Standard Time

From: dashun@sympatico.ca (Martine Hamel)

To: adb4jesus@aol.com

Hi Mr. Barlet,

I'm 100% agree about what you said on this article because it's 100% the sound doctrine:

http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/adb4jesus/IsEternalSecurityScriptural1.htm

I carefully studied this amazing site (but not all!!!): http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/

David W. Daniels, my friend and brother from Chick Publications wrote articles on Tracey's website.

That's why I want to know you. Like I told to brother David: "Hoping to see at least once a week brothers and sisters in Jesus like it was in the era of apostles (I know it was on a daily basis) (see Acts)". I want to give me to the Lord Jesus Christ by continually blessing brothers and sisters in Jesus.

I obey to the Lord Jesus Christ when He told me to leave my title: I'm an ex-master of psychology (yerk!).

I love this website: http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org and I told it to Martin and Deidre Bobgan.

I'm writing a book against psychology for doing like chritians who practiced witchcraft by denouncing publickly these evil things.

I dream to act as interpreter for good conferences around the world; to translate some good books for the Body of Christ; to denounce psychology by teaching women (not men 1 Tim. 2:12); to give all my person for the Glory of God; to be with brother Richard (by helping him) when he will confront publicly the next pope. He's really able to do that dream. Maybe it will cost our lives.

I'm available to go where the Lord Jesus Christ want me to go. From the bottom of my heart,

Marie-Martine Hamel

Subj: Re: I'm really bless to see your article

Date: 12/16/01 4:45:04 PM Central Standard Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: dashun@sympatico.ca

Hello Marie,

Thank you so much for your kind words and for the information you shared. I am glad that you enjoyed some of the pages on my site and hope that you find more that is agreeable. Thanks again for you words of kindness and I pray the best in your endeavors. In Christ, Adam

Subj: Re: Your page

Date: 12/14/01 1:25:34 PM Central Standard Time

From: betzy30@hotmail.com (Sarah Betzold)

To: ADB4JESUS@aol.com

You have been shown Scripture that supports the Eucharist, but you say because Jesus was outside then it's not true. But where does it DIRECTLY say that it is NOT the true Body and Blood? You have seen Scripture that says it IS the Body and Blood, but the ony answer is that it is a parable. That is a huge parable to mix up! So if it says "This is my Body", "You must eat of my Flesh" (in Greek it means "to gnaw") and those were not meant to be literal is should state elsewhere (it should be in the Bible) that this teaching wasn't correct. When Jesus clebrated with them in Emmaus and else where, why didn't he correct that? Why did it still get passed on? Also, where does it say that people on earth can pray for us but people in heaven can't? If it doesn't say you can't why should you assume that you can't? Why is the burden of proof on the Church?

These teachings didn't just occure 1000 some years after Christ. The Greek Orthodox church believes the same thing is true even before it was made an official Church Teaching. Also I have quotations from early church leaders the earliest being c.110 AD the latest being c.195 AD: St Ignatius of Antioch (Disciple of the Apostle John) "They abstain forn the Eucharist and form prayer, because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the Flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, Flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in his goodness, raised up again." "I desire the Bread of God, which is the Flesh of Jesus Christ...and for drink I desire His Blood, which is love uncorruptable."

St Justin Martyr "We call this food Eucharist; and no one else is permitted to opartake of it, except one who believes our teaching to be true (this is before the Reformation so this means people that believe in the teachings of Christianity)...For not as common bread nor common drink do we recieve these; but since Jesus Christ our Savior was made incarnate by the word of God adn had both flest and blood for our salvation, so too, as we have been tought, the food which has been made into the Eucharist by the Eucharistic prayer set down by Him, and by the change of which our blood and flesh is nourished, is both the Flesh and the Blood of that incarnated Jesus."

St Irenaeus (He is like second generation of the Apostles) "He [Jesus] has declared the cup, a part of creation, to be His own Blood, from which He causes our blood to flow; and the bread, a part of creation, He has established as His own Body, from which He give increase to our bodies."

Purgatory- Look at the Scriptures Richard gave you, ingnoring your previous comments, and consider this: People are sinful in nature People are stained by sin (those which they don't acknowledge or ask for forgiveness for - not meaning in confession) Nothing impure (stated in the Bible) can enter heaven/God's presence Now, if this is all true (and you would have to prove to me what isn't true) then it is logical to think that something in our nature changes so that we are able to be in heaven. The Catholic Church calls this process of purification and clensing of sin Purgatory, but it isn't named doesn't mean it doesn't exist. They have theories as to what this process is, but it isn't like hell. It is like giving birth (bad analogy but follow me). It hurts but it leads to a greater good. Purgatory is not a second chance for those who rejected God, but a clensing period for those who are still sinful (all of us) but in God's favor. Time is relative outside of Earth, and means nothing to God so whether or not you think it takes 2 seconds or 2 decades, whether or not you think it is real fire or not, something happens to change us in our essence and that is the basis for Purgatory, which is what those

verses point to.

Do you think that Catholics are going to hell because (in your opinion) they don't know or follow the truth?

That inital statement I made was in reference as to whether or not you could prove any fault in the Church. I don't think you have. I was making the assumption that everything else is or could be wrong, I don't think it is. Re-read those Scriptures that Richard sent you. I think you took the wrong things at face value, and the thing that are supposed to be face value as being interpreted differently. Take them all literal, then take them all figuratively and see the difference.

Bye Sarah

Subj: Re: Your page

Date: 12/16/01 5:21:48 PM Central Standard Time

From: ADB4JESUS

To: betzy30@hotmail.com

Hello Sarah,

What a lengthy response and unfortunately you still have not seen the truth for yourself even though it was right in front of you. Everything you have said from the start is only more proof that you cannot see past the blinders that the catholic indoctrination has placed on you. I have tried to apply the simplicity of the scriptures and you refuse to see what the Bible clearly says. You even made the statement yourself that even if there were other errors that since you believed the theory of the Eucharist to be true that the rest did not matter.

I would like to address another of your erroneous statements: " You have been shown Scripture that supports the Eucharist, but you say because Jesus was outside then it's not true. But where does it DIRECTLY say that it is NOT the true Body and Blood? You have seen Scripture that says it IS the Body and Blood, but the only answer is that it is a parable. That is a huge parable to mix up! So if it says "This is my Body," "You must eat of my Flesh" (in Greek it means "to gnaw") and those were not meant to be literal is should state elsewhere (it should be in the Bible) that this teaching wasn't correct."

You are so right and I cannot see how in the world I missed it all these years. I do have one question though, "how in the world did Jesus ever make it to the cross when just prior to that event with his disciples in the upper room at the Passover meal he was completely cannibalized by his disciples. After all they did take it literal and I am sure there were plenty of "gnaw" marks all over his body. I am quite sure the disciples completely understood the concept while they were tearing the flesh from Jesus' bones right? I am curious which disciple according to your doctrine held the cup that collected the blood from his "gnawed" body? I am so sorry for missing this, but I can't seem to find it in the Bible where this happened. Of course with the concept that you can introduce any tradition you like because the Bible is not the final authority, it is very clear how this teaching is accepted.

Your comments on Purgatory are perfectly harmonized with the catholic teaching in this topic but however still completely UN-biblical. I did read the scriptures by Richard and obviously you did not read my responses because they are self-explanatory. You cannot take the blinders off and until you do the point is mute.

Sarah, it is obvious that it does not matter what I say to you because you do not want to see anything other than the convenient doctrine that you so readily defend. I am not sure why you insist on spending so much time trying to persuade me of your point of view. I put the things on my web site for a reason - hello - because I am well aware of the catholic doctrine and I have presented the truth. I would love to spend my time discussing this with someone that I thought was serious about looking into the truth but I don't have time to waste on people who are satisfied with a lie. It is totally your choice to follow this cult and I cannot stop you nor have I tried to, I have simply tried to warn you of what this doctrine really is. It is your choice and you have apparently made it, so be it. I wish you well on your fruitless efforts to defend a lie and a cult and present it as truth.

Sincerely, Adam

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